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In reply to the discussion: abortion SHOULD be rare [View all]

PeaceNikki

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2. Rare is relative. There should be exactly as many abortions as are needed.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 10:30 AM
Apr 2015

Saying it should be "rare" indicates - clearly - that it is happening more than it should be and that there are 'good' and 'bad' abortions. Abortion is one of the most stigmatized events of a woman's life and the widespread "rare" mantra propagates that.

Calling for it to be "rare" proposes that there is something wrong with abortion. It places the procedure as a very different type of health care. One in which the goal is reduced use rather than expanded access and enhanced quality. And this has contributed to the significant decline in the number of locations where abortions are performed in the United States. The result is also fewer physicians - good physicians - who are even taught abortion care. Less than half of all OB/GYN's residency programs offer training in abortion care.

Saying it should be rare legitimizes efforts to restrict access to abortion.


here is a good piece summarizing my feelings on this matter: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/04/26/safe-legal-rare-another-perspective

A common narrative in the political and cultural discussions of reproductive health focuses on reducing the number of abortions taking place every year. It’s supposed to be one thing that those who support abortion rights and those who oppose abortion can agree on, the so-called common ground. The assumption is that we can all agree that abortion itself is a bad thing, perhaps necessary, but definitely not a good thing. Even President Clinton declared (and many others have embraced) that abortion should be safe, legal and rare. According to the Guttmacher Institute, almost half of all pregnancies among American women in 2005 were unplanned or unintended. And of those, four in 10 ended in abortion. (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html#1) In other words, between one-fifth and one-quarter of all pregnancies ended in abortion. Without any other information, those statistics can sound scary and paint a picture of women as irresponsible or poor decision-makers. Therefore reducing the number of abortions is a goal that reproductive health, rights and justice activists should work toward, right?

Wrong. Those numbers mean nothing without context. If the 1.21 million abortions that took place in 2005 (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html#1) represent the number of women who needed abortions (and in my opinion, if a woman decides she needs an abortion, then she does), as well as the many women who chose to terminate pregnancies that they very much wanted but could not afford to carry to term, then that number is too high. The work of reducing the number of abortions, therefore, would entail creating an authentically family-friendly society, where women would have the support they need to raise their families, whatever forms they took. That could include eliminating the family caps in TANF, encouraging unionization of low-wage workers, reforming immigration policies and making vocational and higher education more accessible.

On the other hand, if those 1.21 million abortions represent only the women who could access abortion financially, geographically or otherwise, then that number is too low. Yes, too low. If that’s the case, then what is an appropriate response? How do we best support women and their reproductive health? Do we dare admit that increasing the number of abortions might be not only good for women’s health, but also moral and just?

What if we stopped focusing on the number of abortions and instead focused on the women themselves? Much of the work of the reproductive health, rights and justice movements would remain the same. We would still advocate for legislation that helps our families. We would still fight to protect abortion providers and their staffs from verbal harassment and physical violence. What would change, however, is the stigma and shame. By focusing on supporting women’s agency and self-determination, rather than judging the outcomes of that agency, we send a powerful message. We say that we trust women. We say we will not use them and their experiences as pawns in a political game. We say we care about women and want them to have access to all the information, services and resources necessary to make the best decisions they can for themselves and their families. That is at the core of reproductive justice. Not reducing the number of abortions. Safe – yes. Legal– absolutely. Rare – not the point.


This comparison to cardiac or dental procedures is crazy, IMHO.

If there were well funded and hugely successful efforts limiting access to other procedures and preventative care, sweeping legislation being passed to stop them, protesting and bombing clinics and hospitals, killing surgeons, etc, then maybe.

Aso, it's not typical that a cardiac patient is judged by society for their personal history behind the surgery. They should have exercised, eaten better, oh, it is a genetic abnormality... We are only glad that the procedures exist to help those who need it. I feel the same way about abortion.

It's OK to wish that those procedures weren't needed, but to publicly wish them to be "rare" in the midst of significant and major attacks on access being imposed on them and clinics closing at record pace with some states bring limited to a single facility is, frankly, insane.

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abortion SHOULD be rare [View all] arely staircase Apr 2015 OP
Contraception reduces the risk of needing an abortion. MineralMan Apr 2015 #1
contraception and genuine sex education arely staircase Apr 2015 #30
Yes, exactly. MineralMan Apr 2015 #38
Rare is relative. There should be exactly as many abortions as are needed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #2
as many as are needed is directly proportional to the level of knowledge people have and their arely staircase Apr 2015 #3
How many dentist offices are there per state right now? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #4
How many dentists have their lives threatened?!? That's the other part of safe people forget. bettyellen Apr 2015 #17
maybe HRC, Ted Kennedy and Ann Richards never heard about viloence against abortion providers arely staircase Apr 2015 #31
Maybe you haven't heard that the phrase was removed from the party platform. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #32
This this and THIS. Context people, it matters. It's not the 70's anymore! bettyellen Apr 2015 #44
if you don't like it , don't say it. but like HRC, AWR and Ted K, I think it is just fine. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #68
How about this... you and others can continue to use it, and I'll continue to point out how it's PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #71
please continue, governor. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #73
Oh, I will. You won't shut me up about it. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #75
Abortion is safer than carrying a baby- there is no reason for "rare" unless you're being judgey. bettyellen Apr 2015 #46
While it is true that abortion is safer than carrying to term, missingthebigdog Apr 2015 #52
Focusing on abortion rights will also get us broader availability of contraception too.... bettyellen Apr 2015 #60
exactly! m-lekktor Apr 2015 #62
That's not connected to the broader idea of using birth control treestar Apr 2015 #54
+1 PeaceNikki!! jen63 Apr 2015 #8
THIS cali Apr 2015 #28
+1 gollygee Apr 2015 #39
As are WANTED, needed and/or everything in between. Heidi Apr 2015 #40
Agree. From the text I posted "if a woman decides she needs an abortion, then she does" PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #41
As always, PeaceNikki, Heidi Apr 2015 #64
You, too. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #66
"Rare" Puglover Apr 2015 #55
!!! Heidi Apr 2015 #63
^THIS^ PeaceNikki gets it! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #61
YOU GO GIRL!!! I am on your side!!!!!!!!!!! onecent Apr 2015 #76
"Rare" is an unfortunate weasel word used by some Democratic politicians bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #5
It's OK to let politicians make abortion inaccessible as long as we focus on contraception. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #6
It is certainly not my message arely staircase Apr 2015 #9
Ann Richards was no weasle on womens' reproductive rights and she said it all the time arely staircase Apr 2015 #7
I believe she is totally solid on choice, but she needs to drop the antiquated phrase. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #10
oh I agree about the jeopardy of rights part arely staircase Apr 2015 #11
It's not "slamming". It's a serious and real discussion. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #12
forgive me if I wasn't being clear arely staircase Apr 2015 #13
But... PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #14
and now you are stuck in arely staircase Apr 2015 #15
No, I'm stuck on the fact that you still fail to see it as a legitimate concern. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #16
No. I do not think that anyone wanting abortion to be 'safe, legal and rare' is a concern arely staircase Apr 2015 #22
The video that started this debate was from 2009 csziggy Apr 2015 #53
this debate has been going on for years PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #57
But this recent set of discussions is based on a years old video csziggy Apr 2015 #58
This isn't just about that video and Hillary. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #59
What exactly does that mean? onecaliberal Apr 2015 #18
it is a woman's business and it is all of our business to see that our schools educate girls and boy arely staircase Apr 2015 #33
Six out of ten abortions are performed on women who are already mothers. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #34
so? women with kids can't be ignorant? arely staircase Apr 2015 #37
What does douching jen63 Apr 2015 #48
That word is just not necessary to the discussion. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #45
As are WANTED. Heidi Apr 2015 #42
^^^^That^^^^ onecaliberal Apr 2015 #47
and because saying it should be rare is good politics. mr_liberal Apr 2015 #19
Yep. Ted Kennedy was right about this. Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #20
Reason. Thanks, rarely. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #21
I can't believe anyone (pro-choice)would see that as a controversial statement. arely staircase Apr 2015 #24
The negativity is media induced. Sad, but after a while it takes its toll. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #29
Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #51
Anti-sex attitudes actually increase unwanted pregnancies because contraception is seen as shameful. Oneironaut Apr 2015 #23
yep. the 'ignorance is strength' fundie wing of the GOP has probably caused more abortions arely staircase Apr 2015 #25
hope you're haopy then. it's fucking rarer by the day. cali Apr 2015 #26
anti choicers don't want abortion to be 'safe, legal and rare" arely staircase Apr 2015 #35
Framing counts: Abortion should be ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE cali Apr 2015 #49
I disagree nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #74
of course you do cali Apr 2015 #78
We all know this to be the case. William769 Apr 2015 #27
Of course it should AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #36
When kids are given Abstinence Only sex ed that Ain't Happening. alphafemale Apr 2015 #43
hate putting qualifiers with basic rights imagine if it was the 2nd amendment dembotoz Apr 2015 #50
"Firing a gun in self-defense should be legal and rare". Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #56
sounds good to me nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #69
You're not helping. Feron Apr 2015 #65
Well said- rare does stigmatize the procedure. And that is wrong. bettyellen Apr 2015 #67
betty, I disagree arely staircase Apr 2015 #72
I understand but abortion is already becoming rare and it's not a good thing at all for the bettyellen Apr 2015 #79
Like the Big Dog said KamaAina Apr 2015 #70
If abortion had been rare locks Apr 2015 #77
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