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Heidi

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40. As are WANTED, needed and/or everything in between.

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 01:14 PM

Apr 2015

To be clear to those who seek to limit my medical choices (and I know you're not among them, PeaceNikki): It's between each woman and her doctor, whether wanted or needed. And I think the whole "rare" thing is a bunch of judgey horseshit.

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abortion SHOULD be rare [View all] arely staircase Apr 2015 OP

Contraception reduces the risk of needing an abortion. MineralMan Apr 2015 #1

contraception and genuine sex education arely staircase Apr 2015 #30

Yes, exactly. MineralMan Apr 2015 #38

Rare is relative. There should be exactly as many abortions as are needed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #2

as many as are needed is directly proportional to the level of knowledge people have and their arely staircase Apr 2015 #3

How many dentist offices are there per state right now? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #4

How many dentists have their lives threatened?!? That's the other part of safe people forget. bettyellen Apr 2015 #17

maybe HRC, Ted Kennedy and Ann Richards never heard about viloence against abortion providers arely staircase Apr 2015 #31

Maybe you haven't heard that the phrase was removed from the party platform. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #32

This this and THIS. Context people, it matters. It's not the 70's anymore! bettyellen Apr 2015 #44

if you don't like it , don't say it. but like HRC, AWR and Ted K, I think it is just fine. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #68

How about this... you and others can continue to use it, and I'll continue to point out how it's PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #71

please continue, governor. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #73

Oh, I will. You won't shut me up about it. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #75

Abortion is safer than carrying a baby- there is no reason for "rare" unless you're being judgey. bettyellen Apr 2015 #46

While it is true that abortion is safer than carrying to term, missingthebigdog Apr 2015 #52

Focusing on abortion rights will also get us broader availability of contraception too.... bettyellen Apr 2015 #60

exactly! m-lekktor Apr 2015 #62

That's not connected to the broader idea of using birth control treestar Apr 2015 #54

+1 PeaceNikki!! jen63 Apr 2015 #8

THIS cali Apr 2015 #28

+1 gollygee Apr 2015 #39

As are WANTED, needed and/or everything in between. Heidi Apr 2015 #40

Agree. From the text I posted "if a woman decides she needs an abortion, then she does" PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #41

As always, PeaceNikki, Heidi Apr 2015 #64

You, too. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #66

"Rare" Puglover Apr 2015 #55

!!! Heidi Apr 2015 #63

^THIS^ PeaceNikki gets it! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #61

YOU GO GIRL!!! I am on your side!!!!!!!!!!! onecent Apr 2015 #76

"Rare" is an unfortunate weasel word used by some Democratic politicians bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #5

It's OK to let politicians make abortion inaccessible as long as we focus on contraception. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #6

It is certainly not my message arely staircase Apr 2015 #9

Ann Richards was no weasle on womens' reproductive rights and she said it all the time arely staircase Apr 2015 #7

I believe she is totally solid on choice, but she needs to drop the antiquated phrase. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #10

oh I agree about the jeopardy of rights part arely staircase Apr 2015 #11

It's not "slamming". It's a serious and real discussion. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #12

forgive me if I wasn't being clear arely staircase Apr 2015 #13

But... PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #14

and now you are stuck in arely staircase Apr 2015 #15

No, I'm stuck on the fact that you still fail to see it as a legitimate concern. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #16

No. I do not think that anyone wanting abortion to be 'safe, legal and rare' is a concern arely staircase Apr 2015 #22

The video that started this debate was from 2009 csziggy Apr 2015 #53

this debate has been going on for years PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #57

But this recent set of discussions is based on a years old video csziggy Apr 2015 #58

This isn't just about that video and Hillary. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #59

What exactly does that mean? onecaliberal Apr 2015 #18

it is a woman's business and it is all of our business to see that our schools educate girls and boy arely staircase Apr 2015 #33

Six out of ten abortions are performed on women who are already mothers. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #34

so? women with kids can't be ignorant? arely staircase Apr 2015 #37

What does douching jen63 Apr 2015 #48

That word is just not necessary to the discussion. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #45

As are WANTED. Heidi Apr 2015 #42

^^^^That^^^^ onecaliberal Apr 2015 #47

and because saying it should be rare is good politics. mr_liberal Apr 2015 #19

Yep. Ted Kennedy was right about this. Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #20

Reason. Thanks, rarely. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #21

I can't believe anyone (pro-choice)would see that as a controversial statement. arely staircase Apr 2015 #24

The negativity is media induced. Sad, but after a while it takes its toll. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #29

Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #51

Anti-sex attitudes actually increase unwanted pregnancies because contraception is seen as shameful. Oneironaut Apr 2015 #23

yep. the 'ignorance is strength' fundie wing of the GOP has probably caused more abortions arely staircase Apr 2015 #25

hope you're haopy then. it's fucking rarer by the day. cali Apr 2015 #26

anti choicers don't want abortion to be 'safe, legal and rare" arely staircase Apr 2015 #35

Framing counts: Abortion should be ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE cali Apr 2015 #49

I disagree nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #74

of course you do cali Apr 2015 #78

We all know this to be the case. William769 Apr 2015 #27

Of course it should AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #36

When kids are given Abstinence Only sex ed that Ain't Happening. alphafemale Apr 2015 #43

hate putting qualifiers with basic rights imagine if it was the 2nd amendment dembotoz Apr 2015 #50

"Firing a gun in self-defense should be legal and rare". Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #56

sounds good to me nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #69

You're not helping. Feron Apr 2015 #65

Well said- rare does stigmatize the procedure. And that is wrong. bettyellen Apr 2015 #67

betty, I disagree arely staircase Apr 2015 #72

I understand but abortion is already becoming rare and it's not a good thing at all for the bettyellen Apr 2015 #79

Like the Big Dog said KamaAina Apr 2015 #70

If abortion had been rare locks Apr 2015 #77