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csziggy

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58. But this recent set of discussions is based on a years old video

Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:01 PM

Apr 2015

The Democratic Party has changed, the country has changed, Hillary Clinton has changed. The entire circumstances in which she made that statement is no longer the same.

I don't know when the Democratic Party removed that statement from their platform, but even so it was probably convenient for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to use that phrase in those hearings. I suspect her personal opinion of abortion is far more liberal than she could espouse in her official capacity as Secretary of State.

I'm not a super fan of Hillary Clinton, though I do have to admit that I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 because I liked her (better than I liked him). I didn't vote for her in the primaries in 2008.

I think that nit picking her on this issue on the basis of the quote from a 2009 video of a hearing in which she was defending the official White House policy in her capacity as Secretary of State is irrelevant to Hillary Clinton as a private individual or as a politician.

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abortion SHOULD be rare [View all] arely staircase Apr 2015 OP

Contraception reduces the risk of needing an abortion. MineralMan Apr 2015 #1

contraception and genuine sex education arely staircase Apr 2015 #30

Yes, exactly. MineralMan Apr 2015 #38

Rare is relative. There should be exactly as many abortions as are needed. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #2

as many as are needed is directly proportional to the level of knowledge people have and their arely staircase Apr 2015 #3

How many dentist offices are there per state right now? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #4

How many dentists have their lives threatened?!? That's the other part of safe people forget. bettyellen Apr 2015 #17

maybe HRC, Ted Kennedy and Ann Richards never heard about viloence against abortion providers arely staircase Apr 2015 #31

Maybe you haven't heard that the phrase was removed from the party platform. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #32

This this and THIS. Context people, it matters. It's not the 70's anymore! bettyellen Apr 2015 #44

if you don't like it , don't say it. but like HRC, AWR and Ted K, I think it is just fine. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #68

How about this... you and others can continue to use it, and I'll continue to point out how it's PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #71

please continue, governor. nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #73

Oh, I will. You won't shut me up about it. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #75

Abortion is safer than carrying a baby- there is no reason for "rare" unless you're being judgey. bettyellen Apr 2015 #46

While it is true that abortion is safer than carrying to term, missingthebigdog Apr 2015 #52

Focusing on abortion rights will also get us broader availability of contraception too.... bettyellen Apr 2015 #60

exactly! m-lekktor Apr 2015 #62

That's not connected to the broader idea of using birth control treestar Apr 2015 #54

+1 PeaceNikki!! jen63 Apr 2015 #8

THIS cali Apr 2015 #28

+1 gollygee Apr 2015 #39

As are WANTED, needed and/or everything in between. Heidi Apr 2015 #40

Agree. From the text I posted "if a woman decides she needs an abortion, then she does" PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #41

As always, PeaceNikki, Heidi Apr 2015 #64

You, too. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #66

"Rare" Puglover Apr 2015 #55

!!! Heidi Apr 2015 #63

^THIS^ PeaceNikki gets it! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #61

YOU GO GIRL!!! I am on your side!!!!!!!!!!! onecent Apr 2015 #76

"Rare" is an unfortunate weasel word used by some Democratic politicians bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #5

It's OK to let politicians make abortion inaccessible as long as we focus on contraception. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #6

It is certainly not my message arely staircase Apr 2015 #9

Ann Richards was no weasle on womens' reproductive rights and she said it all the time arely staircase Apr 2015 #7

I believe she is totally solid on choice, but she needs to drop the antiquated phrase. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #10

oh I agree about the jeopardy of rights part arely staircase Apr 2015 #11

It's not "slamming". It's a serious and real discussion. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #12

forgive me if I wasn't being clear arely staircase Apr 2015 #13

But... PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #14

and now you are stuck in arely staircase Apr 2015 #15

No, I'm stuck on the fact that you still fail to see it as a legitimate concern. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #16

No. I do not think that anyone wanting abortion to be 'safe, legal and rare' is a concern arely staircase Apr 2015 #22

The video that started this debate was from 2009 csziggy Apr 2015 #53

this debate has been going on for years PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #57

But this recent set of discussions is based on a years old video csziggy Apr 2015 #58

This isn't just about that video and Hillary. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #59

What exactly does that mean? onecaliberal Apr 2015 #18

it is a woman's business and it is all of our business to see that our schools educate girls and boy arely staircase Apr 2015 #33

Six out of ten abortions are performed on women who are already mothers. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #34

so? women with kids can't be ignorant? arely staircase Apr 2015 #37

What does douching jen63 Apr 2015 #48

That word is just not necessary to the discussion. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #45

As are WANTED. Heidi Apr 2015 #42

^^^^That^^^^ onecaliberal Apr 2015 #47

and because saying it should be rare is good politics. mr_liberal Apr 2015 #19

Yep. Ted Kennedy was right about this. Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #20

Reason. Thanks, rarely. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #21

I can't believe anyone (pro-choice)would see that as a controversial statement. arely staircase Apr 2015 #24

The negativity is media induced. Sad, but after a while it takes its toll. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #29

Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #51

Anti-sex attitudes actually increase unwanted pregnancies because contraception is seen as shameful. Oneironaut Apr 2015 #23

yep. the 'ignorance is strength' fundie wing of the GOP has probably caused more abortions arely staircase Apr 2015 #25

hope you're haopy then. it's fucking rarer by the day. cali Apr 2015 #26

anti choicers don't want abortion to be 'safe, legal and rare" arely staircase Apr 2015 #35

Framing counts: Abortion should be ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE cali Apr 2015 #49

I disagree nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #74

of course you do cali Apr 2015 #78

We all know this to be the case. William769 Apr 2015 #27

Of course it should AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #36

When kids are given Abstinence Only sex ed that Ain't Happening. alphafemale Apr 2015 #43

hate putting qualifiers with basic rights imagine if it was the 2nd amendment dembotoz Apr 2015 #50

"Firing a gun in self-defense should be legal and rare". Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #56

sounds good to me nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #69

You're not helping. Feron Apr 2015 #65

Well said- rare does stigmatize the procedure. And that is wrong. bettyellen Apr 2015 #67

betty, I disagree arely staircase Apr 2015 #72

I understand but abortion is already becoming rare and it's not a good thing at all for the bettyellen Apr 2015 #79

Like the Big Dog said KamaAina Apr 2015 #70

If abortion had been rare locks Apr 2015 #77