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In reply to the discussion: HEAD of the FBI’s Anthrax Investigation Says the Whole Thing Was a SHAM [View all]JonLP24
(29,915 posts)The one who designed the original ThinThread but has shelved with Trial Blazer which collected everything, spying on US citizens without warrant who cares? You have NSA agent after NSA agent taking their concerns to government, a lot of them for reasons of inefficiency
3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so
When a National Security Agency contractor revealed top-secret details this month on the government's collection of Americans' phone and Internet records, one select group of intelligence veterans breathed a sigh of relief.
Thomas Drake, William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe belong to a select fraternity: the NSA officials who paved the way.
For years, the three whistle-blowers had told anyone who would listen that the NSA collects huge swaths of communications data from U.S. citizens. They had spent decades in the top ranks of the agency, designing and managing the very data-collection systems they say have been turned against Americans. When they became convinced that fundamental constitutional rights were being violated, they complained first to their superiors, then to federal investigators, congressional oversight committees and, finally, to the news media.
To the intelligence community, the trio are villains who compromised what the government classifies as some of its most secret, crucial and successful initiatives. They have been investigated as criminals and forced to give up careers, reputations and friendships built over a lifetime.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/
Thomas Drake was a famous one. He leaked unclassified documents to a Baltimore Sun reporter prosecuted him & retroactively classified it like they did with Sibel Edmonds but NSA veterans, experienced brilliant people telling us we have a right to be concern & for that they come in with guns drawn to arrest them. Snowden claimed (and I have no idea why anyone would believe it couldn't possibly true) went through various multiple channels tried many ways & while he they were sympathetic, many were scared because of what happened with Thomas Drake. Others warned that they will crucify him for this.
There is own crowd what wants you to believe "they keep us safe" & have told numerous lies now proven to be untrue. The other crowd is telling you the truth. I don't care if warrant less spying keeps us safe, if you don't have probable cause or the necessary requirements (which should be strengthen, the 5th amendment has been eroded considerably since the "War on Drugs"
now almost meaningless text on paper
I'm rooting hard for Jewel in Jewel v NSA. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is an excellent law firm, they are right firm for this one. Government just wants to keep everything a big secret. Intercepting all data communication in Barbados? Government doesn't want you to know either? May concern Bill Gates or Oprah Winfrey (people who vacation there) though probably won't mind since they are keeping them safe.