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Manifestor_of_Light

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165. So the Joker is psychologically tormenting Batman and Harvey Dent to break them down.

Mon May 7, 2012, 04:14 PM

May 2012

So this is supposed to be entertaining? Kind of like a crude version of gaslighting? saying things to drive a person crazy? I'm referencing the movie "Gaslight" with Ingrid Bergman.

Nothing I want to see there. So the point of the movie is psychological abuse, not any warmth or positive feelings between any of the characters. Not even a warm loving male-female interest. None of what is called "romantic interest".

I've been psychologically and emotionally abused by quite a number of bosses and ex-partners. Why in hell would I enjoy seeing a criminal trying to mentally destroy a rich guy, Bruce Wayne? No way I would enjoy it.

It's extremely negative. I don't watch negative, violent movies, and I am no pollyanna.

I see exactly what it is. Stupid, pointless violence in a battle for male domination. That's been going on for centuries in the form of war and oppression on the grand scale, individual oppression on a small scale.

Still a pointless waste of time in my opinion. You haven't changed my attitude.

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A sad statement on American culture [View all] MadHound May 2012 OP

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Let's take a look at the French MadHound May 2012 #6

It did well in France JonLP24 May 2012 #12

I disagree MrScorpio May 2012 #29

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a French comics market not an American comics market Major Nikon May 2012 #188

Oops. I misunderstood. nt Codeine May 2012 #189

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K&R. DevonRex May 2012 #5

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Mother mother fuck, mother mother fuck fuck, Codeine May 2012 #152

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So the Joker is psychologically tormenting Batman and Harvey Dent to break them down. Manifestor_of_Light May 2012 #165

Morgan Freeman was not the butler. He was the CEO of Wayne Enterprises. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #67

Have you seen the movie? white_wolf May 2012 #62

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Ennui-man! 4th law of robotics May 2012 #187

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