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In reply to the discussion: How do YOU think Hillary will react to the Greek election results? [View all]hack89
(39,181 posts)112. But if government tax receipts do not increase to cover those loan payments
then you are screwed. You still have to get back more than you spend. Greece didn't do that.
It doesn't help that tax evasion is the national pastime.
Greece is a fairly small country, but for the past year it has been causing an awfully big uproar. Burdened by a pile of government debt that could force it into default (and the European banking system into a meltdown), Greece has had to adopt ever more stringent austerity plans in order to secure a bailout from the European Union. Explanations of how Greece got in this mess typically focus on profligate public spending. But its fiscal woes are also due to a simple fact: tax evasion is the national pastime.
According to a remarkable presentation that a member of Greeces central bank gave last fall, the gap between what Greek taxpayers owed last year and what they paid was about a third of total tax revenue, roughly the size of the countrys budget deficit. The shadow economybusiness thats legal but off the booksis larger in Greece than in almost any other European country, accounting for an estimated 27.5 per cent of its G.D.P. (In the United States, by contrast, that number is closer to nine per cent.) And the culture of evasion has negative consequences beyond the current crisis. It means that the revenue burden falls too heavily on honest taxpayers. It makes the system unduly regressive, since the rich cheat more. And its wasteful: it forces the government to spend extra money on collection (relative to G.D.P., Greece spends four times as much collecting income taxes as the U.S. does), even as evaders are devoting plenty of time and energy to hiding their income.
According to a remarkable presentation that a member of Greeces central bank gave last fall, the gap between what Greek taxpayers owed last year and what they paid was about a third of total tax revenue, roughly the size of the countrys budget deficit. The shadow economybusiness thats legal but off the booksis larger in Greece than in almost any other European country, accounting for an estimated 27.5 per cent of its G.D.P. (In the United States, by contrast, that number is closer to nine per cent.) And the culture of evasion has negative consequences beyond the current crisis. It means that the revenue burden falls too heavily on honest taxpayers. It makes the system unduly regressive, since the rich cheat more. And its wasteful: it forces the government to spend extra money on collection (relative to G.D.P., Greece spends four times as much collecting income taxes as the U.S. does), even as evaders are devoting plenty of time and energy to hiding their income.
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I doubt President Obama is so weak-willed he allowed Clinton to lead him around
obamanut2012
May 2012
#46
I think our neoliberals will just ignore any European backlash against austerity.
girl gone mad
May 2012
#7
You'd have said the same thing in a discussion about Dean Rusk and LBJ in '67.
Ken Burch
May 2012
#24
My point was the values WalMart represents, I wasn't saying it controls foreign policy
Ken Burch
May 2012
#56
I think you are getting the Hilluminati confused with the Hassan Hil Sabbah
Starry Messenger
May 2012
#95
This has NOTHING to do with gender. HRC's gender is totally irrelevant to me and you know it.
Ken Burch
May 2012
#85
Then she has been failing miserably at 'maintaining the status quo, forever', then.
Ikonoklast
May 2012
#55
Wow. Hillary dropped out of the 2008 primary in exchange for total control of US foreign policy?...
SidDithers
May 2012
#125
Those new and creative alternatives had better fit within the global economy and financial markets
hack89
May 2012
#47
spending more money than you have is the main way individuals expand their assets.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#103
But when your bills get so large that they consume a large and growing portion of your income
hack89
May 2012
#106
spending on social benefits has a direct impact on the economy. so not sure what you're
HiPointDem
May 2012
#111
I think the U.S. should make sure that U.S.-owned companies doing business in Greece
Ken Burch
May 2012
#68
All that tells us is that Greece pays somewhat more for pensions than Germany
Ken Burch
May 2012
#127
Christ, she's still trying to wash the blood off her hands from 1,000,000+
coalition_unwilling
May 2012
#75
if Hillary says/does that then it will probably be because it's Obama's policy
CreekDog
May 2012
#102