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LiberalLovinLug

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193. My cynical side says you are right

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:18 PM

Apr 2015

She swings both ways. Just like Obama. Starts on the upswing on the left, and ends on the upswing on the right.

But at least there is someone to force her to show herself as a hypocrite (not saying she will be, but it makes it easier). Like Obama, he will never shake off his abandonment of closing Gitmo, the Public Option for health insurance, extending the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy etc.

Otherwise she could just run on a Republican light platform staying just barely to the left of whoever is the Republican front runner. I'm sure that's what she'd prefer as she'd get much more of the wishy washy moderate on-the-fence voter to support her. And then once elected she could just point to her primary run and point out that she never promised any economic or military liberal platforms, and shut up us "liberal retards".

But, call me an easy mark, I'm willing to give both Hillary and Bernie a shot at the moment. Clean slate. Let them battle it out in the public arena. Either one is still better than anything the GOP will present.

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So, yeah, here's a big heaping helping of "Shut The Fuck Up" [View all] WilliamPitt Apr 2015 OP

Unrec... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #1

..... Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #62

Thanks for proving my point! joeybee12 Apr 2015 #76

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Rerec... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #93

"Anybody" ashling Apr 2015 #192

It's not apologizing for the Popular NOTION . And that's good . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #197

Please explain what you mean by ashling Apr 2015 #211

That we shouldn't feel compelled to support Secretary Clinton. orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #213

Are Christy Walker Jindal Cruz Paul and Carson running in the Democratic Primary? NYC_SKP May 2015 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #220

"Sheesh" ashling May 2015 #222

K&R! peacebird Apr 2015 #2

I hope you don't mean DU. onehandle Apr 2015 #3

Exactly...nt joeybee12 Apr 2015 #77

Guess what surfaces every other day, a new problem with Credibility, orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #82

Oh? ieoeja Apr 2015 #186

Well, I guess that settles that. Orsino Apr 2015 #4

How else do you become a Democrat? immoderate Apr 2015 #33

It's kind of like joining the Freemasons deutsey Apr 2015 #48

It can't be that tough. Lieberman got in. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #137

So did a certain "Goldwater Girl" MNBrewer Apr 2015 #173

What were you doing in HIGH SCHOOL that you grew out of in college? Hekate Apr 2015 #200

Hey, I get it. I was a closet-gay "College Republican" in the early 1980s. MNBrewer Apr 2015 #207

Uh, bad example. Orsino Apr 2015 #185

I'm waiting for the reaction over the "Socialist" label attached to the Dems.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #188

"How," indeed. Orsino Apr 2015 #176

As far as I can tell he never supported Goldwater. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2015 #167

What were you doing in HIGH SCHOOL that you grew out of in college? Hekate Apr 2015 #201

I was a liberal in high school and still haven't grown out of it through two rounds of college. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2015 #204

And you have not matured in your thinking in ANY area of you life? or you were just born wise? Hekate Apr 2015 #206

I'm starting to think you actually know someone that supported Goldwater. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2015 #208

Only one friend of mine in high school, not me. And high school was 50 years ago, f'gods' sake. Hekate Apr 2015 #210

I only bring up Goldwater to point out the hypocricy of many on DU. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #212

So, what, it's better to act like a republican your whole career while wearing a [-D] ? Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #172

No one seems to be objecting. bravenak Apr 2015 #5

They got overruled. TBF Apr 2015 #17

Ahhh. Ok. bravenak Apr 2015 #19

If Hillary's smart she'll welcome the challenge - TBF Apr 2015 #21

If he can get her to go left then I support him. bravenak Apr 2015 #23

what difference does it make if she moves left for the primaries magical thyme Apr 2015 #36

Exactly (n/t) bread_and_roses Apr 2015 #46

+1000. nt antigop Apr 2015 #47

I'd far prefer Bernie or Liz - TBF Apr 2015 #72

Exactly. It's so phony... SMC22307 Apr 2015 #119

That's inevitable. HRC will revert to form and rule as a neocon and Goldman Sachs Democrat, leveymg Apr 2015 #177

My cynical side says you are right LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #193

Who the hell cares what party he's in, if he's right on all the issues we care about? Maedhros Apr 2015 #6

Yep, as another Bernie Booster here said hifiguy Apr 2015 #7

I'd support him if he ran as a Republican notadmblnd Apr 2015 #29

That would mean you supported the Republican Platform and the rest of the GOP candidates... Hekate Apr 2015 #202

No, it would not mean that I support the Republican Platform and the rest of the GOP candidates notadmblnd Apr 2015 #217

You said you would support him if he ran as a Republican. I assume the "even if" is implied. Hekate May 2015 #218

Thanks for the civics lesson notadmblnd May 2015 #224

x 1.7 million TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #8

I'd vote for him if he ran as a freakin' garden gnome. smokey nj Apr 2015 #12

Now I'm imagining a Saturday Night Live skit with the Travelocity gnome as Bernie. n/t winter is coming Apr 2015 #22

Yes! The Garden Gnome Party.. yes that will do it I think! :) 2banon Apr 2015 #129

"Puling." Cool, I learned a new word. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2015 #9

I give not a fuck Aerows Apr 2015 #10

He's twice the Democrat that the head of the Democratic Party is. eomer Apr 2015 #11

Exactly. Nt abelenkpe Apr 2015 #31

K&R loves me some Bernie! LiberalLoner Apr 2015 #13

may I ad a heart felt "Bite Me !!! " too ? olddots Apr 2015 #14

but...but...but he's just like Nader WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #15

Who is saying that? onehandle Apr 2015 #24

Here: smokey nj Apr 2015 #39

LOL - the nerve of DEMOCRATS MaggieD Apr 2015 #80

Yeah, how dare supporters of a candidate defend him from baseless attacks. smokey nj Apr 2015 #84

It's going to be a long campaign season for you folks MaggieD Apr 2015 #95

The only one being belligerent was you and you didn't correct anything. smokey nj Apr 2015 #96

Yet oddly it turned out I was right MaggieD Apr 2015 #97

No, you weren't right because you totally missed the point of that thread. smokey nj Apr 2015 #105

He wasn't a Democrat at all until he declared as.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #108

And nobody claimed he was going to run in the primary as an Independent. Now have a good night. smokey nj Apr 2015 #110

LOL - they sure did MaggieD Apr 2015 #120

No they didn't. Have a good night. smokey nj Apr 2015 #123

I'll listen demwing Apr 2015 #128

I'm not playing go fetch for you MaggieD Apr 2015 #133

Yeah, I thought so demwing Apr 2015 #178

"You folks" Aerows Apr 2015 #140

the snarling, billigerent Sanders supporters.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #144

Are you referring to the people on DU Aerows Apr 2015 #146

LOL - has nothing to do with me MaggieD Apr 2015 #147

I'm not seeing "snarling" Aerows Apr 2015 #148

Well I am MaggieD Apr 2015 #150

You really don't see the persecution complex on display? You haven't noticed thread after thread KittyWampus Apr 2015 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Apr 2015 #145

I don't have a side MaggieD Apr 2015 #151

Interesting that you claim not to have a side. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #181

As usual you can't back any of that up MaggieD Apr 2015 #187

He's not like Nader at all fadedrose Apr 2015 #86

Woot! It just keeps on getting better! nt Zorra Apr 2015 #16

If he's on our primary ballot I'm voting for him. No question. nt TBF Apr 2015 #18

I'm more concerned with the grownups out of the third way reminding us that he's unelectable. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #20

Just because they say it, doesn't make it correct. smokey nj Apr 2015 #26

I read that earlier and loved it. Thanks for the reminder. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #37

K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #25

Join the group ---> http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280 L0oniX Apr 2015 #91

Sanders/Lee NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #27

That would be awesome...good suggestion! haikugal Apr 2015 #40

Totally freakin' brilliant idea, NJNP. Zorra Apr 2015 #92

You bet BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #113

This kills the deniers. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #28

He's not just a Democrat, he's a Democrat that has a long history... 99Forever Apr 2015 #30

And that should be the primary criteria of a Democrat. zeemike Apr 2015 #89

Absolutely, WRP! Duval Apr 2015 #32

K&R! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #34

I don't have any excuses. I have questions. blue neen Apr 2015 #35

Aren't these questions a bit premature? bvf Apr 2015 #45

The question of whether a candidate can win the proper amount of delegates is quite relevant. blue neen Apr 2015 #52

He has stated he won't be a spoiler. bvf Apr 2015 #61

Bernie isn't registering to vote in PA, truebluegreen Apr 2015 #191

In PA a candidate must file a nomination petition of 2% of former9thward Apr 2015 #51

Only Democrats and Republicans are in the primary. blue neen Apr 2015 #57

We have a loose system in the U.S. former9thward Apr 2015 #70

FEC Form 2 asks for party affiliation in block four. MADem Apr 2015 #153

The state sets the nomination requirements for the primary election. former9thward Apr 2015 #180

He's not going to run on Love and Pale Moonlight. MADem Apr 2015 #184

You are posting what the voter must sign NOT the candidate. former9thward Apr 2015 #214

Uh....please look at the TOP of the page. The candidate--or his people--have to fill that out. MADem Apr 2015 #215

You changed what you posted. former9thward May 2015 #226

No, I didn't. There are, in fact, THREE FORMS. At least! MADem May 2015 #228

Yep. nt silvershadow Apr 2015 #38

Hillary will be our nominee oberliner Apr 2015 #41

Just...can't...do...it. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #49

You don't have to be excited, you just have to vote. Winning matters. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #169

I'll ultimately vote for the nominee. bvf Apr 2015 #50

Much respect oberliner Apr 2015 #53

Thanks for that. bvf Apr 2015 #66

I share your pain oberliner Apr 2015 #68

Living in a swing state, your words reflect my feelings exactly. bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #101

That's it, isn't it? There's not a single candidate in the Republican Party that I can KingCharlemagne May 2015 #227

That won't be happening. nt LWolf Apr 2015 #58

I am excited about it... catnhatnh Apr 2015 #60

Your vote will not prevent it oberliner Apr 2015 #65

Perhaps... catnhatnh Apr 2015 #67

Understood oberliner Apr 2015 #69

* L0oniX Apr 2015 #142

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC - The 1% Manchurian Candidate cantbeserious Apr 2015 #158

Gahhhhhh F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #42

Born an Independent,,, Raised an Independent,,,,, Behold a Democrat! LMAO Cryptoad Apr 2015 #43

Born a Republican... Raised a Republican... Behold Hillary! BeanMusical Apr 2015 #189

You must not know many Republicans if you think,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #190

Where did I say that she's a republican? BeanMusical May 2015 #221

What were you doing in HIGH SCHOOL that you grew out of in college? Hekate Apr 2015 #203

People who wanted to be cheesy could use those same words, and add MADem Apr 2015 #216

I'm still intending to vote for Hillary LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #44

Come tomorrow, when he officially announces, Buns_of_Fire Apr 2015 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #55

He'll be a great candidate.. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #56

Bernie's got my enthusiastic, active support. nt LWolf Apr 2015 #59

jump! PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #63

Bernie represents Democratic principles The Wizard Apr 2015 #64

Screw that! I'll vote for Bernie. MineralMan Apr 2015 #71

+1 nt steve2470 Apr 2015 #162

I only wonder RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #73

I adore Bernie, but I'm a Hillary Clinton girl all the way. Lyric Apr 2015 #74

Bernie will get some votes in New England. In TN redstateblues Apr 2015 #94

To be very honest, had any Clinton supporter said something like this Raine1967 Apr 2015 #75

that's the first thing I thought too... one_voice Apr 2015 #98

Thank you for the input. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #130

This. n/t Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #117

I completely agree. betsuni Apr 2015 #132

Another over the top Sanders supporter MaggieD Apr 2015 #78

YES ! YES ! What constitutes a Democrat and WHO looks more like a Republican ?? orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #79

most ironic.... quickesst Apr 2015 #81

Oh let me count the ways, Are you kidding ?? orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #85

count them... quickesst Apr 2015 #99

Being BANNED from a discussion for not being a Mindless cheerleader . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #104

still waiting... quickesst Apr 2015 #114

Sorry about that misplaced comma, but not about Hillary . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #106

Hilary.... quickesst Apr 2015 #124

And for the same reasons she won't need your help, MSM and orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #165

ok... quickesst Apr 2015 #209

I'm jumping, I'm jumping fadedrose Apr 2015 #83

Nobody playing hoop against the President, but he does Challenge him on orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #90

I'm happy!! tavernier Apr 2015 #87

Join the Bernie Sanders group... L0oniX Apr 2015 #88

Where the fuck am I? NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #100

Exactly! Andy823 Apr 2015 #111

Seriously, what the fuck is in the water tonight? NuclearDem Apr 2015 #135

Vodka, I should hope shenmue Apr 2015 #139

A heapin' helping of "fuck," apparently. MADem Apr 2015 #154

It's all coming out of the same sound machine. MADem Apr 2015 #156

It IS all good! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #159

I hear you, and I agree. MADem Apr 2015 #160

Yes, some actors DO need the drama. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #163

Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Suji to Seoul Apr 2015 #102

I support Hillary but wish Sanders well. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #103

Bernie !!!!! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #109

... TBF Apr 2015 #115

He is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist running for the Democratic Party nomination Gore1FL Apr 2015 #107

It's a long story. Check out a thread in the new Bernie Sanders for a hint of it. smokey nj Apr 2015 #118

rock the fuck out! blackspade Apr 2015 #112

+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #116

STFU? You mean on democratic underground workinclasszero Apr 2015 #122

As Matt says Thespian2 Apr 2015 #125

One could argue that he is more faithful to hughee99 Apr 2015 #126

He's currently a member of DSA whose honorary chair is Cornel West: ucrdem Apr 2015 #127

lol'ing at the puling in this thread Oilwellian Apr 2015 #131

The fuck is with the hostility? NuclearDem Apr 2015 #134

That's a good question....! MADem Apr 2015 #157

He's a better Democrat than most Democrats! lastlib Apr 2015 #136

Now watch the Unions back Bernie over Hillary.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #138

I hope so. L0oniX Apr 2015 #141

Big Labor eyes Hillary warily antigop Apr 2015 #164

Expect Hillary's team to show her the movie, "Norma Rae" so she can fake it. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #174

So because he's finally decided to run as a Democrat we should STFU.... George II Apr 2015 #143

Hear, hear. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #149

Good. We need more candidates to liven up the debates. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #152

They are flogging a dead horse AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #155

Bernie's more of a Democrat than the rest, that's for sure. PatrickforO Apr 2015 #161

Kicked and recommended! I knew it! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #166

Are many DUers against Bernie? IronLionZion Apr 2015 #168

He has more Democratic virtues than anybody else in the race . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #196

And this shows the hatred he gets from the Democratic party IronLionZion Apr 2015 #198

I'm afraid to agree with you for fear of Banishment, but I do . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #199

Im supporting Hillary, but much love for Bernie and i wish him luck! N/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #170

When a politician identifies as a third party, there's a legitimate concern they would run on PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #175

I got that the other day. Triana Apr 2015 #179

+1 Go Vols May 2015 #229

From the Urban Dictionary "puls" and "pul" Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #182

I'm a Hillary supporter and I do not object to Bernie. hamsterjill Apr 2015 #183

AMEN! raven mad Apr 2015 #194

Let's do. Daemonaquila Apr 2015 #195

Bernie's a great guy and I look forward to his thoughts. Hekate Apr 2015 #205

Finally! HappyMe May 2015 #223

K and R bigwillq May 2015 #225