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17. What an absurd OP.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:05 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)

I call this familiar Third Way tactic the attempt to turn elections from civic exercise into vapid social event. To pretend that merely being a "Democrat" makes all candidates alike regardless of their actual record. To detach party loyalty from actual policies and to insist on absurd rules about not criticizing their records, as though they were guests at a party rather than politicians applying for jobs as our representatives.

Just as our political discourse on TV has been perverted into personality gossip rather than a discussion of issues to find the candidate who best represents the interests of the people, we are now lectured on DU that it's not nice to say anything negative about a candidate....as though we were at a cocktail party or a social gathering rather than vetting applicants for a job that will exert power over the lives of millions of human beings.

We have a grave, systemic problem in this country. It is problem of filthy corporate money buying our elections and our political candidates. Hillary Clinton is the poster candidate for this problem. She is intimately tied to Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street, and her record promises more of the corporate looting and dismantling of democracy that have hollowed out the middle class in this nation and turned us from representative democratic nation into an authoritarian oligarchy with secret laws, secret courts, mass surveillance, militarized police, crushing of whistleblowing and dissent, endless war for profit, and systematic exploitation of the 99 percent for the profit of the One Percent.

This suggestion that calling out a predatory corporate record is "bashing," or that saying something negative about a candidate's record is somehow unseemly, as though we were at a social gathering where if you can't say something nice, you shouldn't say anything at all....This is a Third Way tactic to change the rules of politics. To silence strong, well-founded opposition to candidates whose associations and policies are malignant to ordinary Americans.

Hillary's record is that of a Third Way, corporate-purchased politician. It promises more looting and exploitation of the 99 percent, more bloody warmongering for profit, and more defense of an increasingly authoritarian, undemocratic police and surveillance state, where whistleblowers are not safe.

It is the civic duty of American citizens to speak honestly about the monied corruption in our system and to advocate against purchased candidates and for actual representatives of the people. We can't afford four more years of corporate predation.

The Clinton Dynasty's Horrific Legacy: More Drug War, More Prisons
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Hillary pushes for increases in H1B visas and outsourcing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6405669

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9

The Warmongering Record of Hillary Clinton "I urged him to bomb..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026219783

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Hillary defends Israel on Gaza carpet bombing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274041

Hillary tacks right of Obama on foreign policy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707589

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

Hillary Clinton Praises George W. Bush and the Art of Compromise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026394878

Hillary Clinton's role in right-wing Honduran coup and aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

Hillary Clinton's Horrifying Iraq War Vote Still Matters.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/hillary-clintons-iraq-war-vote-still-matters-9737

Secret recordings show US military and a Democratic congressman distrusted Hillary Clinton on Libya (lying, manipulating intelligence)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025364869

Obama didn't go as far as Hillary now says she wanted to go in smashing Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251375376

Hand in Hand With Kissinger: A Review of Hillary Clinton’s Review
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016102317

Hillary Clinton Serves Us KISSINGER KOOL-AID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025504036

MJ - Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025493748






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It's amazing people can argue that with a straight face BainsBane Apr 2015 #1
I agree...I like Bernie...but zealotry turns me off...nt joeybee12 Apr 2015 #2
"zealotry turns me off" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #9
Same here. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #10
Considering the nutjobs for the republicans that cstanleytech Apr 2015 #90
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #91
Seriously. DanTex Apr 2015 #8
"..lose their heads." is right. Top of the page.. ".. big heaping STFU.." And, that racist graphic Cha Apr 2015 #35
Who made a racist graphic? /NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #41
It was pointed out to us in another thread in GD that got locked for being meta.. only the Cha Apr 2015 #63
I could definitely say the same of Hillary Fumesucker Apr 2015 #11
I haven't seen that BainsBane Apr 2015 #15
I'm not sure collateral damage is really the best phrase to use regarding the Iraq war Fumesucker Apr 2015 #21
The Press is so important that it is enshrined in the Constitution. They have a responsibility equal Hekate Apr 2015 #39
Wanna make that claim an OP and see where it goes? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #43
Why, to play mud pies with you? It's not as much fun as you think. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #55
It's an interesting Constitutional interpretation that I haven't encountered before Fumesucker Apr 2015 #67
No hyrocrisy there. Some of us put things in perspective. We can't pretend like she had the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #31
What do you think would happen if I went on that thread and defended Miller? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #40
Not the same thing. If you believe Miller didn't know the truth when she was writing it then okaawhatever Apr 2015 #75
Another innocent victim cruelly taken in by the ever wily and smooth talking Dubya Fumesucker Apr 2015 #82
LOL nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #84
yeah. tone changed when du focused on bernie Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #3
There will be more. More voices make us stronger. onehandle Apr 2015 #4
The weird thing is I always thought the people bashing Obama 24/7 were secret Clinton loyalists. ucrdem Apr 2015 #5
You've got that right. It makes one wonder about their real motives. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #42
Trust me it's not over Andy823 Apr 2015 #6
The bashing will stop for a bit in the General.. I can't wait! Cha Apr 2015 #37
Well, define "democratic candidate" and you have your answer. nt Logical Apr 2015 #7
It's Democratic BainsBane Apr 2015 #12
I am glad you mentioned the Populist Candidate Sen Sanders. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #13
rhett, did you know Bernie Sanders has 100% ratings by both NARAL and HRC? nt Zorra Apr 2015 #14
Where? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #16
Right there. With your post. DanTex Apr 2015 #18
Actually I was pointing out that it goes both ways, and it's only to be expected. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #22
Like the OP that tells Sanders supporters NuclearDem Apr 2015 #27
What an absurd OP. woo me with science Apr 2015 #17
Yes that list is what I'm talking about. DanTex Apr 2015 #19
I won't call foul. I expect you to say such things. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #23
Actually, no I don't want to depress votes for Bernie. I'm glad he's running. DanTex Apr 2015 #24
If he can win the nomination, he can win the general. Ditto for anyone else who can win the primary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #25
Well, no, that's not true. But since he can't win the primary, it's a moot point. DanTex Apr 2015 #26
+ a kabillion. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2015 #29
+1. "When you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup. Oh, but it looks great on you." GoneFishin Apr 2015 #69
This n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #94
hmm. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #20
I am also pleased at this change of heart Gothmog Apr 2015 #28
Go Bernie! cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #30
Boink. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #32
Actually bashing them without justification is what is bad. Bonobo Apr 2015 #33
How about the truth that Bernie can't win a national election against the GOP. DanTex Apr 2015 #36
I suppose it is in a way. Bonobo Apr 2015 #38
I wish I had the power to make self-fulfilling prophecies about presidential politics. DanTex Apr 2015 #46
He had power only because he was given the place in the Democratic Convention. Bonobo Apr 2015 #48
OK, but he in fact was given that place. And he was far ahead of Bernie at this time 8 years ago. DanTex Apr 2015 #50
Anyway, whatever. Bonobo Apr 2015 #52
Yes, shifting politics back to the left is a good reason to support Bernie. DanTex Apr 2015 #54
+1 -I think the are both correct statements. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #58
It is not the truth. It's a hunch on your part Generic Other Apr 2015 #44
Well said. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #47
Who said anything about usurping a throne? Except you? DanTex Apr 2015 #49
I don't want to vote for someone with "cross-party" appeal Generic Other Apr 2015 #53
And I don't want a Republican president. DanTex Apr 2015 #57
Then don't vote for one with a D by their name Generic Other Apr 2015 #86
Oh goodie. Enjoy the next GOP administration. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #62
xactly - i'm for Bernie. 840high Apr 2015 #89
It is a hunch, or worse, a seed being planted. I am impervious to those mind games. I will vote GoneFishin Apr 2015 #68
Sorry, truth is based in facts, not in guesses and gut feelings. jeff47 Apr 2015 #59
No that is an opinon tiredtoo Apr 2015 #65
It would be nice to tout the candidates of our choice... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #34
Also, false equivalence. Bonobo Apr 2015 #45
True. For example, "Bernie can't win the GD" isn't bashing, it's basic reality. DanTex Apr 2015 #51
Again, an ounce of truth to your post... Bonobo Apr 2015 #56
"Bernie can't win" is truthful. Weren't you all about the truth a few posts ago? DanTex Apr 2015 #60
I don't agree it is true. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #66
No, it's your opinion. jeff47 Apr 2015 #61
How is acknowledging that Bernie can't win "tearing him down"? DanTex Apr 2015 #64
Why couldnt he win? davidn3600 Apr 2015 #70
For starters, he's a self-described socialist, and he doesn't have the fundraising capacity. DanTex Apr 2015 #72
Secondly, do we know he really wants to? ucrdem Apr 2015 #73
It is "tearing down" because it currently has no facts to back it up. jeff47 Apr 2015 #71
Of course there are facts to back it up. DanTex Apr 2015 #74
Golly, it's almost like I specifically addressed those. jeff47 Apr 2015 #76
Yeah, but you were wrong. He won't even come close to winning the primary. You'll see. DanTex Apr 2015 #79
Electability isn't measurable. jeff47 Apr 2015 #80
It's estimatable, though. Like I said, you'll see. DanTex Apr 2015 #85
The rationale behind his candidacy is not compelling. ucrdem Apr 2015 #87
Unfortunately the bashing won't end soon. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #77
There is nothing about Bernie Sanders' policies or actions to "bash," as you call it. Jamastiene Apr 2015 #78
DU rec...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #81
The DU!!!!!!!!!! Rex Apr 2015 #83
It's fine to hold Democrats ozone_man Apr 2015 #88
+1 840high Apr 2015 #92
I wont object to Bernie but we should be asking all of the candidates on what they plan to do cstanleytech Apr 2015 #93
Locking thread. TexasTowelie Apr 2015 #95
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