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111. Deciding by politics rather than principle

Fri May 1, 2015, 12:10 AM

May 2015

It was way too important a matter for her vote to be decided by how it would likely effect her political future. On matters of war and peace we can't have representatives who govern that way, unacceptable. She got what she deserved for her vote. I wish she was different and I could support her, not going to wear blinders though just because she is a Democrat.

Personally I'm not sure why she voted for the IWR. Could have been politics, she might have been a true believer. And I'm not sure which is worse, either, bad either way.

edit to add: some people got it right, people like Sanders, Feingold, Barbara Lee, hell even Ron Paul got it right. The most memorable opposition speech to me was Senator Robert Byrd, who was not born yesterday and could smell the fraud of the evidence a mile away.

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Jon Stewart LAYS INTO Judith Miller: You PUSHED US Into �Devastating� Iraq Mistake [View all] Segami Apr 2015 OP

Meh, at least Miller isn't the front runner for the Democratic nomination Fumesucker Apr 2015 #1

tell that to the thousands of family members hopemountain May 2015 #112

Indeed Fumesucker May 2015 #116

It's not as if she was a Senator who voted for the damned thing, after all...[n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #127

Jon is smarter and more courageous redstateblues Apr 2015 #2

We all get burned out on the fight at some point. Hopefully, once he gets a well deserved rest he liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #4

At this point, I think he's come to believe that humor can't fight the ugliness anymore. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #21

I read that he and his wife have bought a farm and Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #75

Everybody knew. delrem Apr 2015 #3

couldn't help myself bbgrunt Apr 2015 #7

I admit, the song was in my head. delrem Apr 2015 #10

My favorite... sendero Apr 2015 #52

My favorite version Aerows May 2015 #132

the point of propaganda is not to convince people, it's to ensure that people's convictions MisterP Apr 2015 #73

Anyone with a brain knew it was a lie BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #5

which is why I cannot understand why people like Hillary voted for it Skittles Apr 2015 #6

Political expediency BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #11

see I have a problem with that Skittles Apr 2015 #14

There's a Tool song that seems to work here BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #17

Could it be: she was smart and politically savvy, and she wanted the war? delrem Apr 2015 #27

I think she imagined the media would have had destroyed her over a "No" vote--which they would have. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #60

The popular belief was.... Exilednight Apr 2015 #98

Deciding by politics rather than principle dreamnightwind May 2015 #111

I fully agree. She needs to stop holding her Exilednight May 2015 #119

I can understand why Hillary voted for it Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #13

Can you explain your reasoning? BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #19

By that time, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #22

Ok BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #23

I agree, they are not an excuse Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #25

Clinton was 'like a son' to the BFEE long before he was president. appal_jack Apr 2015 #69

That's fucked up BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #80

Yup. And there is much, much more. appal_jack Apr 2015 #109

+ 1 million dead Iraqis dreamnightwind May 2015 #113

Only 5% of the "yes" IWR votes were by Democrats duhneece Apr 2015 #70

Great point! LeftOfWest Apr 2015 #78

yeah, let's remember that.. My Senator (Udall) voted no.. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #95

Your Udall is gone, my Udall is in duhneece Apr 2015 #99

I looked for it too but no luck. Did find Hillary's pro Iraq war speech.. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #101

that is flat out false dsc May 2015 #124

The Dems were mostly afraid of being painted as soft on terrorism and weak on defense. tblue37 Apr 2015 #48

see, again Skittles Apr 2015 #85

Precisely so. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #91

The soft on ism of the day The Wizard May 2015 #125

+1. nt tblue37 May 2015 #126

One possibility is that she agreed with it. arcane1 Apr 2015 #57

I honestly do not think so Skittles Apr 2015 #88

The neocons are intelligent too dreamnightwind May 2015 #114

Because she was too cowardly to oppose it LittleBlue Apr 2015 #64

Bernie was, and IS, AWESOME nikto Apr 2015 #29

This ^^^^! LeftOfWest Apr 2015 #79

Once again Bernie proves he's just not a SERIOUS POLITICIAN. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #128

Slippery as an eel, wee Judith is... chervilant Apr 2015 #8

I do not know how she can live with herself Skittles Apr 2015 #9

It probably easy...she got a book deal zeemike Apr 2015 #16

you would have to be a sociopath to live with the results of a sensless war you pimped for Skittles Apr 2015 #18

Her and Justice Sandra Day O'Connor LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #37

agreed Skittles Apr 2015 #43

Only a massive ego and extreme rationalization could have put her across from Stewart. pa28 Apr 2015 #12

Can't blame him for retiring rufus dog Apr 2015 #15

Look forward to seeing it here on the West Coast. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #20

To be fair, the DLC/Third Way was cheerleading for Bush's war big time as well. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #24

He sure had her tap dancing. blogslut Apr 2015 #26

What was she thinking going on his show!? Did she not know what he stands for?! Mahalo Segami Cha Apr 2015 #28

She expected Stewart to lob her softball questions... Segami Apr 2015 #32

Right.. Jon isn't perfect.. I think he may have done that for one or two.. but not ol Judy Miller! Cha Apr 2015 #35

Sellin' a book. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #40

Yeah, with her great "rehabilation" meme.. that she did Cha Apr 2015 #42

After Bill Maher's lame interview with her on Friday ... SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2015 #53

Well thank Maher for such a stupid softball interview then! Cha Apr 2015 #96

The insipidness of evil A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #30

oh, she is an immoral weasel supreme. Thank you Jon! bbgrunt Apr 2015 #31

I recently read an interview ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #33

Which is funny because I thought Jon did such a good job, I almost felt pity for Rumsfeld arcane1 Apr 2015 #58

That is funny, arcane1 malthaussen Apr 2015 #77

I'd thought so, too. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #86

Plus, he has Nothing to Lose now, and it's starting to show! arcane1 Apr 2015 #87

Going to watch this tomorrow. Was just on my way to my pillow. shraby Apr 2015 #34

You will NEVER get a neocon, fox-propagandist, teabagger, repuKKKe to EVER admit fault... Hulk Apr 2015 #36

Another perfect illustration of why John Stewart SHOULD BE hosting Meet the Press... phleshdef Apr 2015 #38

was she "not supposed to report on the administration�s point of view"? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #39

Pretty much the same things they taught at Wellesley in the sixties evidently... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #41

Did Stewart mean "institutional failure" of the press? Martin Eden Apr 2015 #44

Jon did a great job on this war mongering idiot Gothmog Apr 2015 #45

Gotta Disagree RobinA Apr 2015 #46

She wasn't reporting, she was colluding. progressoid Apr 2015 #47

When there's smoke, there's fire... Astrid_g Apr 2015 #49

Great "first post!" MyOwnPeace Apr 2015 #54

Awwww!!! Astrid_g Apr 2015 #55

Welcome to DU Fumesucker Apr 2015 #92

I'd say this post just about nails it. Well done and welcome to DU! Raster Apr 2015 #105

Welcome to DU, Astrid_g! calimary May 2015 #118

Nicely thought out and nicely written! PearliePoo2 May 2015 #120

When a reporter and/or a print ir broadcast news organization deliberately promote obviously tblue37 Apr 2015 #50

if she had been a REAL reporter Skittles Apr 2015 #90

"However, a person writing news stories did not get us into that war." - Wrong. NYC Liberal May 2015 #117

I Believe RobinA May 2015 #121

good for him. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #51

His disgust was visible and she KNEW IT was for her. blm Apr 2015 #56

~1000000 deaths... it is disgusting, i was as disgusted as Jon looked 0rganism Apr 2015 #61

"I appreciate you being on the show." Peace Patriot Apr 2015 #59

It wasn't a mistake. Orsino Apr 2015 #62

"I think the story got cut for space?" KansDem Apr 2015 #63

That had to be one of the lamest excuses, and the audience gasped when she said that still_one Apr 2015 #65

Typical (contemporary) Reporter response. Baitball Blogger Apr 2015 #66

But Jon, HILLARY pushed us into Iraq. Haven't you been reading DU? McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #67

DAMN!!!! heaven05 Apr 2015 #68

He also needs to lay into the NY Times for allowing this...nt joeybee12 Apr 2015 #71

Chris Hayes on his MSNBC "All In" show . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #72

COME ON! This is just another phase of the 'we create reality' approach to government that wiggs Apr 2015 #74

She COVERED Saddam since 1978, THAT is WHY W Admin chose her!!! benld74 Apr 2015 #76

That was a thing of beauty. I almost turned it off because I had enough of Ms. Miller Cleita Apr 2015 #81

Oh my freakin' God..how she plays dumb makes me sick. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #82

John was too easy on her. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #83

sort of reminded me of the Neuremberg trials: rurallib Apr 2015 #84

I honestly believe that she believes FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #89

She is a right wing asset, just like a CIA asset.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #93

Jon looked sad and pissed! That was very intense to watch! Well done Jon! nt Quixote1818 Apr 2015 #94

she didn't even know he drew blood Hamlette Apr 2015 #97

That last moment. ...I don't recall Jon ever being quite THAT disgusted with a human. Kip Humphrey Apr 2015 #100

yeah, he closed that out in pretty epic fashion fishwax Apr 2015 #110

Miller is not an exception. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #102

I don't know how he kept from lunging across the table at her dflprincess Apr 2015 #103

Kick cwydro Apr 2015 #104

Stewart didn't cut her any slack or let her pass off her bullshit. Fuddnik Apr 2015 #106

I believe the point Stewart made was that... JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #107

Did he put her book in the trash at the end? KeepItReal Apr 2015 #108

Can't Wait Until She Comes to Portland Oregon McKim May 2015 #115

She is a horrible journalist - complete train wreck, absolutely the last person on earth who should whereisjustice May 2015 #122

Who is going to call out the liars when he quits? liberal N proud May 2015 #123

... deathrind May 2015 #129

�institutional failure at the highest levels.� press at that time kissed bush admin rear or they wer Sunlei May 2015 #130

What Jon Stewart did for all of us - if we were listening carefully - ... DrBulldog May 2015 #131