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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:07 PM May 2015

I hope that Bernie is capable of being shallow. [View all]

Whether you like it or not, presidential politics is overwhelmingly determined on image - not substance. We already know Bernie Sanders has substance. What remains to be seen is whether he can translate the substance of his views into a larger, shallower, more broadly-applicable image that convinces people who don't know very much that he is their candidate.

If he is serious, then learning how to be shallow will be the subject of his study for the campaign. If his only intent is to "steer the debate," then he will fail: Hillary Clinton will not learn anything, no matter what. She has proven that too many times over now. She learns nothing. At most he would make her use some unfamiliar vocabulary for a while before reverting to form. So I hope that his candidacy is serious - that he intends to be President of the United States.

If so, he needs to quickly start learning how not to be so genuine. How to instead spread his substance more thinly, into more shallow threads that normal, uninformed people can relate to. That is the reality of politics in this country. If he plays the self-gratifying game of running the campaign he wants rather than the campaign we need, then nothing will happen. He will be just another lightweight in a long list of them.

Bernie, be the candidate we need. Whatever you've been before, whatever you want to be, forget that and be what we need. Don't be another lightweight making symbolic points. Fight so hard and so deeply you sicken yourself. Let people into your campaign whose soulless mercenary hearts make you sick.

This is what it is. Don't be our ennobling loss. Rise to the day. You're all we've got. Don't repeat the stupidities of history, and don't embarrass us by being a new Ralph Nader.

Win. That is all we require of you.

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You rang? immoderate May 2015 #1
I disagree. go bernie go May 2015 #2
It's true that we here are tired of phony banter. True Blue Door May 2015 #51
We often pine for a politician speaking beyond the lowest common demonstrator LanternWaste May 2015 #3
How a candidate speaks only matters until you know who they are. True Blue Door May 2015 #5
I don't share your cynicism. I also never call a Democratic Primary candiate 'Ralph Nader' Bluenorthwest May 2015 #4
This is no cynicism. True Blue Door May 2015 #6
first, his asset is being authentic and second. anti clinton and obama and others about the shallow? seabeyond May 2015 #7
We already know he's authentic. True Blue Door May 2015 #8
he isnt selling to du. he is selling to the nation. i stand that his asset is his authenticity. nt seabeyond May 2015 #9
Authenticity is a beginning. True Blue Door May 2015 #11
i think it is the sell. not the beginning and sanders is no kucinich. nt seabeyond May 2015 #13
I agree, he is more than that. True Blue Door May 2015 #15
it will be. but i cannot stress enough what his voice does for our youth and first time voters. seabeyond May 2015 #18
I have more confidence in him than I had in Howard Dean in 2004. True Blue Door May 2015 #25
"Don't embarass us by having depth" AgingAmerican May 2015 #10
I'm saying the exact opposite. True Blue Door May 2015 #12
Ah, I see it now AgingAmerican May 2015 #16
Nader lost because he was a third party candidate, not because he wasn't as phony as a dlcer. n/t betterdemsonly May 2015 #14
He would have lost as a Democratic nominee too. True Blue Door May 2015 #17
The dlc has racked up quite a few losses too. betterdemsonly May 2015 #19
I know, that's why I support Bernie Sanders. True Blue Door May 2015 #20
So you say betterdemsonly May 2015 #21
Are you calling me a liar? True Blue Door May 2015 #22
Let me reiterate: An apology is required. True Blue Door May 2015 #23
Your silence is heard loud and clear. Goodbye. True Blue Door May 2015 #24
Totally disagree. It is his authenticity that will bring victory. peacebird May 2015 #26
How is his authenticity different from the authenticity of every other candidate True Blue Door May 2015 #28
Fortunately Bernie IS Bernie, so I have no reason to worry he will follow your advice peacebird May 2015 #29
It all depends if he intends to win or not, doesn't it? True Blue Door May 2015 #31
Your concern is duly noted peacebird May 2015 #38
Your contempt for critical thinking is duly noted. True Blue Door May 2015 #46
LOL! "Critical thinking" says Bermie should run as a shallow person instead of as himself? peacebird May 2015 #48
Critical thinking says politics is not a support group. True Blue Door May 2015 #50
he probably doesn't talk about seeing UFOs magical thyme May 2015 #33
That is definitely helpful. True Blue Door May 2015 #40
"quickly start learning how not to be so genuine" A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #27
I know good political humor when I see it. A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #30
I agree. There is a shallow factor to overcome. Katashi_itto May 2015 #32
Substance leveraged into image is stronger than purely fabricated image. True Blue Door May 2015 #36
Morally serious people don't do shallow. undeterred May 2015 #34
Then why did FDR go out of his way to hide the wheelchair? True Blue Door May 2015 #41
Bernie is not going to hold his finger up to follow the DC bubble political wind. L0oniX May 2015 #35
Speaking of shallow... True Blue Door May 2015 #42
Is this satire? stage left May 2015 #37
Parody A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #39
Is your question "double-secret" satire? True Blue Door May 2015 #43
If you want it to be. stage left May 2015 #52
he needs to talk more about Jesus Enrique May 2015 #44
Not yet, but eventually he'll have to deal with people who love either or both. True Blue Door May 2015 #45
he has never insulted anyone like that in the past Enrique May 2015 #47
He wouldn't deliberately insult anybody. True Blue Door May 2015 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #53
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