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KitSileya

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73. I don't want them not to make another. I want them to do better.

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:11 PM

May 2015

I want them to start making superhero ensemble movies that actually pass the Bechdel test. Movies where 5/6th of the heroes aren't white cis men. Where they don't equate sterility with being a monster. I want Marvel to stop thinking that if a movie with a female lead doesn't do well, movies with female leads don't do well, while if a movie with a male lead tanks, that movie with a male lead tanked.

I like superhero movies. What's more, I like MCU movies. These are the people who made a 10-episode miniseries where the whole plot hinged on the hero exploiting the men's awful misogyny to get things done. Why can't they get that into their movies? Why do we get fobbed of with Whedon's revolutionary-in-the-90s female characters? It's 2015. Shouldn't we have gotten farther than this?

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Avengers Director: Rumor I Quit Twitter over Feminist Harrassment ‘Horsesh*t’ [View all] sufrommich May 2015 OP

Aw, I guess that banned troll was wrong. cyberswede May 2015 #1

i do not think i get this story and what is happening. i never follow this shit. seabeyond May 2015 #12

you know what cyberswede. very interesting. seabeyond May 2015 #14

Ironic that so many dedicated feminists fell for MRA talking points. Doctor_J May 2015 #35

Do you mean in that thread? cyberswede May 2015 #37

Most, yeah, but Doctor_J May 2015 #45

Then you should rethink your post. NCTraveler May 2015 #54

well... cyberswede May 2015 #57

all i am seeing is the men called the female character a slut. people didnt like that. now they seabeyond May 2015 #2

Who called the female character a slut specifically? el_bryanto May 2015 #4

all we get is his whine about the mean feminist picking on him. i for one, am curious WHY seabeyond May 2015 #5

OK - but let me ask this again - Joss Whedon - the person who this article is about el_bryanto May 2015 #7

we do NOT know. in this enlightening story, all we hear is his whine about the mean feminist. seabeyond May 2015 #8

A few points el_bryanto May 2015 #16

1. he is not pitting feminist against feminist? sure sounds that way to me. seabeyond May 2015 #19

OK - reconcile 2 and 3 el_bryanto May 2015 #21

only learning the story as we go. if he has a long history of supporting feminist, one would think seabeyond May 2015 #22

He does have a history of supporting feminists. That's why I found sufrommich May 2015 #25

good for him. i for one, appreciate his voice. nt seabeyond May 2015 #43

If you don't have the information - why are you on the attack? el_bryanto May 2015 #28

oh. stop. i have clearly put out my position step by step. and it matters. i have been honest seabeyond May 2015 #38

There's a difference between treating someone with kid gloves and being accurate el_bryanto May 2015 #39

i do not think you are ACCURATELY portraying what i have said. meh. seabeyond May 2015 #44

Your initial statement el_bryanto May 2015 #52

ya. so? that is what i READ in the article. that is what happened. seabeyond May 2015 #53

OK el_bryanto May 2015 #56

that is all you had to say, instead of hunt things to attack me on. and that still does not address seabeyond May 2015 #58

and. was he pitting feminist against feminist in that statement? that is everything he accuses seabeyond May 2015 #24

Hmm... Orrex May 2015 #40

Actually they were calling a cartoon character a slut. yeoman6987 May 2015 #26

really? lmfao. guy. thank you so much for your help seabeyond May 2015 #29

Hey anytime. I just like information to be factual and true. yeoman6987 May 2015 #33

they may not get to define Snow Leopard May 2015 #74

as they get to call someone a slut, others get to call them misogynist assholes. why their fee fees seabeyond May 2015 #75

it was my impression it Snow Leopard May 2015 #83

no surprise you fail to see, .... seabeyond May 2015 #84

And Jeremy Renner just doubled down on his fauxpology KitSileya May 2015 #11

Did you see the movie? I didn't. No interest at all. yeoman6987 May 2015 #27

Yes, I saw it, and it was a mess. KitSileya May 2015 #55

Since you enjoy them or at least the last one. yeoman6987 May 2015 #69

he's overcompensating in an effort to stay in the closet. geek tragedy May 2015 #50

Speculating whether Renner is in the closet is immaterial. KitSileya May 2015 #60

not defending it. merely explaining. geek tragedy May 2015 #65

Really, Geek? Your comment seems a bit tawdry. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #61

he's engaging in stereotypical hypermasculine/machismo behavior geek tragedy May 2015 #67

ok. gotcha. and ya. and thanks. nt seabeyond May 2015 #70

Jeremy Renner's turned out to be a giant douchecanoe. backscatter712 May 2015 #80

Hah! So many people needed this to be true Starry Messenger May 2015 #3

i do not follow this shit. i am not sure i am getting what happened. nt seabeyond May 2015 #6

I googled it. Apparently Renner got called out on Twitter for calling the Black Widow character octoberlib May 2015 #15

joke, off color whatever. shut the fuck up and take it... *. those damn sjw. seabeyond May 2015 #17

Yep. Apparently it should be okay to use those terms if the female in question octoberlib May 2015 #18

Hopefully as punishment they never make another yeoman6987 May 2015 #31

So what sort of movies should be permitted? nt el_bryanto May 2015 #41

I liked furious 7. Very good movie with zero sexism yeoman6987 May 2015 #68

I don't want them not to make another. I want them to do better. KitSileya May 2015 #73

Nothing happened. Starry Messenger May 2015 #46

thank you. ya. we have some jabs at sjw as not even warranting lip service, in this thread. seabeyond May 2015 #47

This. nt sufrommich May 2015 #49

hmm... chervilant May 2015 #9

its sounding like he is claiming feminism. we have a sect of feminist men think calling women sluts seabeyond May 2015 #10

I was going to add chervilant May 2015 #13

Well Twitter in general is pretty useless el_bryanto May 2015 #20

His comment chervilant May 2015 #32

OK - that's bullshit. el_bryanto May 2015 #36

i get that style of addressing the issue, if that was the intent. militant feminist is also a dog seabeyond May 2015 #42

oic chervilant May 2015 #71

Well, Bryant, chervilant May 2015 #72

I've tried to be civil - but it's kind of pointless on this board sometimes. el_bryanto May 2015 #76

Civility is seldom pointless, chervilant May 2015 #78

Weadon has a history of being supportive of feminism ismnotwasm May 2015 #23

There are some spoilers on the Black Widow story if you follow this controversy el_bryanto May 2015 #30

I haven't seen it, but I will ismnotwasm May 2015 #48

Probably the only male in Hollywood that pays the SJWs more than lip service. LittleBlue May 2015 #34

Really? ismnotwasm May 2015 #51

Just seeing the pie fights here on DU shows that Joss Whedon is right. backscatter712 May 2015 #81

The creator of Buffy is sexist? kiva May 2015 #59

Yeah, I'm not understanding this hot mess at all. DeadLetterOffice May 2015 #62

I'm wondering how many people who are criticizing him kiva May 2015 #64

i havent seen any of them. i do not know the man or his history seabeyond May 2015 #66

I can't speak to the particular controversy kiva May 2015 #77

A pretty good starting place, considering the topic: JHB May 2015 #79

Joss Whedon has always been one of the good guys. backscatter712 May 2015 #82

Much ado about nothing. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #63