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79. It's a damning collection of links the OP has failed to rebut.
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:36 PM
May 2015

Damning enough to elicit this elaborate but transparently dishonest attempt at rebuttal.

Hillary's corporate positions on all of these issues are well-established, not just by the links themselves, but by the totality of her record and our own experience watching her over the years.

Yes, the irony in the OP's attempt to complain about "Gish Gallop" is delicious, but you've got to consider that the corporate talking points machine faces an impossible situation here:



(1)
They can embrace and try to defend their candidate's overall predatory, corporate, warmongering, antidemocratic policy agenda. But if they do that, they alienate the 99 percent, who are sick of looting, murderous, predatory corporate exploitation.

OR

(2)
They can LIE about and deny their candidate's true agenda, and pretend to be populists. But if they do that, they alienate the 99 percent, who are sick of obvious manipulative lies from corrupt, corporate politicians.

OR

(3)
They can focus on trying to slime the opposition, in which case they alienate the 99 percent, who are sick of dirty, diversionary, dishonest politics.


The monied interests that control our political process now depend on propaganda, diversion, and blatant misrepresentation of their candidate's record. They can't win on the actual issues, because they are corrupt. And now that we have a genuinely honest candidate in the race, their corruption is magnified by contrast. I think posts like the OP are actually useful, because they expose so clearly the level of dishonesty and utter contempt for voters that we face from our corporate-controlled political messaging machines today.



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Bookmarked. Big K & R and Thank You. misterhighwasted May 2015 #1
Are you demonstrating how to "Gish Gallop"? Seems to me that's what you rhett o rick May 2015 #71
+1000 nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #91
+1 BOOM. merrily May 2015 #155
Have to take issue with your take on H1B visas. They do come here to work, at extremely low $$$ peacebird May 2015 #2
You missed the point. Completely and entirely. Buzz Clik May 2015 #7
I understand the concerns in the OP, but on this one item - H1B visas - Hillary supports them peacebird May 2015 #19
My state's UI division tracks wages for skilled H1B workers. PatrickforO May 2015 #43
The very presence of the H1B workers suppresses wages. Romulox May 2015 #61
I bookmarked this thread as a reference, but I doubt Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #3
Wonderful post. JaneyVee May 2015 #4
And a lot of Alex Jones conspiracy type stuff too. Nt boston bean May 2015 #12
+1 Buzz Clik May 2015 #5
The 2nd article you posted explicitly says HRC helped draft the TPP think May 2015 #6
There was a point that was pitched .... and a WHIFF!!!! Buzz Clik May 2015 #8
From above: "HRC did not "draft" the TPP, and the linked article says nothing of the kind." think May 2015 #11
Steeeerike TWO!!! Buzz Clik May 2015 #13
Feel free to elaborate. think May 2015 #17
one down Enrique May 2015 #25
The third link goes to a thread which is not about HRC but one person does link to the previous think May 2015 #9
Except she didn't MaggieD May 2015 #14
Excellent. Thank you for wading through the bs. boston bean May 2015 #10
speaking of gish gallup.... m-lekktor May 2015 #15
Okay, tell us what she had to do with the issue MaggieD May 2015 #18
You might have a point if you could point out where she refuted what he did. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #57
Why is she obigated to do that? MaggieD May 2015 #62
As a candidate for President she has an obligation to tell the voters where she stands on rhett o rick May 2015 #89
What's that got to do with Bill? MaggieD May 2015 #90
I didn't say a thing about Bill. I would love to go over issues. How does she stand on Fracking?nm rhett o rick May 2015 #134
Damn good answer, Rhett nikto May 2015 #122
K & R Iliyah May 2015 #16
Thanks for both the definition of gish gallop Cal Carpenter May 2015 #20
You'd understand it if you were a DEMOCRAT. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #21
exactly Enrique May 2015 #22
Ah, the links are not mine MaggieD May 2015 #24
I started Enrique May 2015 #28
For what it's worth think May 2015 #30
omg PRECISELY! FlatBaroque May 2015 #29
Well said. The OP is a breathtakingly dishonest post, woo me with science May 2015 #42
You were quoted incorrectly? Are you having an owie? I actually looked at those links... Hekate May 2015 #140
Incorrect usage Scootaloo May 2015 #23
Oh yes they are from ONE post MaggieD May 2015 #26
Except you and he are doing the exact same thing Scootaloo May 2015 #33
I have a problem with the Gish Gallop MaggieD May 2015 #72
This is like, so gish gallopy. bravenak May 2015 #27
I don't watch horse racing but it sounds like lovemydog May 2015 #45
Hey!!! bravenak May 2015 #47
Very windy here. lovemydog May 2015 #67
Good one! bravenak May 2015 #95
That's the idea! MaggieD May 2015 #75
V. R. F4lconF16 May 2015 #31
Yep! bravenak May 2015 #48
This post is a really great example of Gish Gallop. Thanks! Katashi_itto May 2015 #32
Here's the original I took it from MaggieD May 2015 #46
Yours is much better. Katashi_itto May 2015 #129
Stunning rejoinder MaggieD May 2015 #130
Seriously? That is the best you can do? Katashi_itto May 2015 #135
The best you can do is waffles... Agschmid May 2015 #144
That's a come back? Katashi_itto May 2015 #145
Why do you feel sorry for her? Agschmid May 2015 #146
Lacking...really lacking. Katashi_itto May 2015 #147
I have no need to make a pithy reply... Agschmid May 2015 #148
Zzzzz... Katashi_itto May 2015 #149
Nice edit. Agschmid May 2015 #151
combine gish gallops with ... wyldwolf May 2015 #34
Had to look that up libodem May 2015 #38
Emo progressive - LOL! (nt) MaggieD May 2015 #64
Indeed. DURHAM D May 2015 #39
My my, exactly whats happening to Pres O Iliyah May 2015 #58
thanks! OKNancy May 2015 #97
LOL -- what an apt description for what's been going on here since 2008! Hekate May 2015 #141
Thanks for exposing the lies of the right and left workinclasszero May 2015 #35
But, but, but.... libodem May 2015 #36
Hillary did not shoot Vince Foster nikto May 2015 #125
This poster, BTW... OilemFirchen May 2015 #37
I don't have the right decoder ring for your post. nt DURHAM D May 2015 #40
Brain dump. OilemFirchen May 2015 #50
I hope you don't mean me MaggieD May 2015 #54
No, of course not. OilemFirchen May 2015 #59
Thanks for clarifying MaggieD May 2015 #85
Irony indeed mcar May 2015 #132
TLDR because Gish Gallop hootinholler May 2015 #41
So you're okay with the Sander Supporters Gish Gallop, but.... MaggieD May 2015 #49
It's a damning collection of links the OP has failed to rebut. woo me with science May 2015 #79
Nah, I think I rebutted it real good MaggieD May 2015 #86
Thanks for the definition of gish galloping. lovemydog May 2015 #44
Haven't seen it done to Sanders MaggieD May 2015 #53
No links. lovemydog May 2015 #70
Thank goodness we have you to set the record straight. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #51
You are most welcome MaggieD May 2015 #56
There is a group on DU Andy823 May 2015 #128
Kick Rec and Thank You profoundly for identifying this scourge by name, MaggieD Hekate May 2015 #52
Thanks for collecting all these together in one place ... Bookmarked! Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #55
Can't take credit for that MaggieD May 2015 #60
Oh you mean the Gish Galloper is woo me with science? I love that poster. They make awesome posts. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #68
Wow, you did due dillegece and a lot of effort still_one May 2015 #63
Yeah it was a pain MaggieD May 2015 #66
Isn't the OP itself a Gish Gallop style argument? Romulox May 2015 #65
No, actually it's not MaggieD May 2015 #69
"The Gish Gallop is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent..." Romulox May 2015 #77
Correct MaggieD May 2015 #80
That's what you have done here. Arguing that others made you do it doesn't change that. nt Romulox May 2015 #81
I'll put you down for the "I'm rubber, you're glue" response MaggieD May 2015 #88
Yup. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #73
Actually, no MaggieD May 2015 #78
I'm acquainted with the definition. It's a Gish Gallop. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #82
So you're going with the "Im rubber, you're glue" argument? MaggieD May 2015 #84
Excellent post Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #74
LOL, that stuff is straight off the Moonie flyers I used to get handed in college. ucrdem May 2015 #76
The consistent use of right wing sources is what disturbs me the most MaggieD May 2015 #83
I guess it made sense to other Moonies. ucrdem May 2015 #87
And the fact that some are using these kinds of tactics.... daleanime May 2015 #92
I don't care who you support MaggieD May 2015 #94
As long as you believe that.... daleanime May 2015 #113
I thought the Hillary group was full of positivity and light BrotherIvan May 2015 #93
So you think BS about her... MaggieD May 2015 #96
You think silly, dismissive, and factually incorrect zingers refute evidence? BrotherIvan May 2015 #106
Nope sorry - you missed again MaggieD May 2015 #112
Well you can tell that to the thousands of laid-off tech workers BrotherIvan May 2015 #116
She wasn't advocating it wholesale MaggieD May 2015 #121
At $300,000 a speech, it takes a village (and a lot of blue ink) to raise a Clinton. whereisjustice May 2015 #98
Another right wing talking point MaggieD May 2015 #100
If you are a Wall Street bank, $500,000 might get you two speeches whereisjustice May 2015 #104
Have you given $10 million to charities? MaggieD May 2015 #107
Great post! yallerdawg May 2015 #99
Thanks! MaggieD May 2015 #101
K freaking R and Bookmarked. hrmjustin May 2015 #102
Let me summarize your three-hour rant Doctor_J May 2015 #103
+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #105
Yup. Sums it up perfectly. truebrit71 May 2015 #126
Do I get points for being able to guess who you were responding to before looking? Egnever May 2015 #108
The glee in RW/GOP/Libertarian's bright eyes Iliyah May 2015 #109
Well done, you!!! MADem May 2015 #110
Great points - thank you! MaggieD May 2015 #115
^^^^MADem^^^^ Hekate May 2015 #136
Nothing like using a concept to the fullest in order to explain it nikto May 2015 #111
Gotta do what you gotta do MaggieD May 2015 #114
Who's the *real* Gish Galloper? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #117
LOL - we already know what the purists think MaggieD May 2015 #118
Just pointing out abject BS MannyGoldstein May 2015 #119
This comment was alerted on. betsuni May 2015 #152
That's not the problem. HERE'S your problem ---- (Beware Incoming Metaphors) nikto May 2015 #120
Wow, what a stunning reply MaggieD May 2015 #123
what is it called when someone asks just one question G_j May 2015 #124
Here's the REAL bottom-line ... nikto May 2015 #127
Spot on MaggieD May 2015 #131
I will vote for the nominee. Period. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #143
Best post I have ever read on DU! leftofcool May 2015 #133
Thanks for posting, have it bookmarked for future reference. Truth hurts sometimes. Thinkingabout May 2015 #137
Excellent deconstruction. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #138
posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #139
Thank you for all your work! It's appreciated. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #142
Much appreciated one-stop shopping post -- thanks! nt betsuni May 2015 #150
Thanks, Maggie. KMOD May 2015 #153
They try soooo hard...how cute!!! U4ikLefty May 2015 #154
okay, if Manny's Gish Gallop thread is locked for being off topic, why isn't this one? liberal_at_heart May 2015 #156
You're claiming a fellow DUer is pro-genocide? SMC22307 May 2015 #157
Walmart Octafish May 2015 #158
Locking thread. TexasTowelie May 2015 #159
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