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Faryn Balyncd

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13. When the framers wrote the 10th Amendment, did they have the Monsanto Provision in mind?
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

That is, when they wrote, in the Bill of Rights:


"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Tenth+Amendment





... did they really mean to say:


"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF "TRADE" DEALS, in which case not only will all federal laws (including health, safety, labor, environmental, and labeling) previously passed by Congress that now conflicts with the trade deal will be overridden by the terms of the "trade" deal, but any law or regulation by any state, local government, or previously legal action by the people, which conflicts with the "trade" deal will be immediately overridden by the terms of the "trade" deal.

Moreover, if the "trade" deal is submitted to the Congress of these United States under "Fast Track", then the members of Congress shall vote on the entire "trade" bill, including provisions which effect patent law, copyright law, labor law, environmental law, health law, safety law, and product labeling, up or down, without amendment, and without delay."


? ? ?





Is that what Madison had in mind?


Did the framers envision a Monsanto Provision invalidating state and local laws, including food safety and food labeling, on the basis of a "trade" deal arranged by negotiators who viewed state and local food safety and/or food labeling laws a "trade" barrier?






























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What a fucking surprise. Fast track? No wonder Obama wants Fast Track. djean111 May 2015 #1
I remember when I lived in Oregon ibegurpard May 2015 #2
Trusting this Republican Congress on Fast Track has me neverforget May 2015 #3
Everyone should find this troubling- even those who think concern of GMOs cali May 2015 #4
+1 - Troubling is an understatement. Segami May 2015 #18
yes, I know. I'm trying to engage with people who cali May 2015 #31
If Obama wants this failure to be his legacy he can keep on arguing for it randr May 2015 #5
I'm for food labeling too, but there is nothing in the TPA related to food labeling Hoyt May 2015 #6
for fuck's sake, hoyt. this is about a provision in the tpa which GOVERNS cali May 2015 #8
Cite it. The TPA is not classified, and you should know it. Hoyt May 2015 #36
read the bolded paragraph- and yes, obviously I know the tpa is not classified, dearie cali May 2015 #42
But, you won't admit the OP and you are wrong, deary Hoyt May 2015 #46
Do you have a link? They_Live May 2015 #9
The text is classified gregcrawford May 2015 #19
Yes, I know, thanks gregcrawford. They_Live May 2015 #29
The TPA is NOT classified. These people are lying to you. Hoyt May 2015 #35
When did you read the TPP? Thespian2 May 2015 #33
I know the difference between TPA and TPP, and the TPA is not "secret." Hoyt May 2015 #38
Answer the question Thespian2 May 2015 #41
After you cite the so-called "Monsanto Amendment," that doesn't exist. Hoyt May 2015 #45
Did you read the TPP? Thespian2 May 2015 #55
I've read everything that is done to date, and so far no one has produced a Monsanto Amendment Hoyt May 2015 #59
It's right in the bill in black and white. Page 9 Section 2. pa28 May 2015 #63
At least you produced some language, but I think it's a giant stretch to interpret it as the OP. Hoyt May 2015 #65
At the beginning of this subthread you claimed there was no labeling provision in the TPA. pa28 May 2015 #67
The OP says that the TPA includes language allowing companies to sue states for requiring GMO Hoyt May 2015 #68
New Hazards in GMOs from Synonymous Mutations Novara May 2015 #7
DeFazio. LWolf May 2015 #10
Thank you Cali. Another reason to be against TPP. jwirr May 2015 #11
I trust Peter DeFazio far more than I trust the President. Enthusiast May 2015 #12
When the framers wrote the 10th Amendment, did they have the Monsanto Provision in mind? Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #13
K & R !!! Thespian2 May 2015 #34
Excellent questions Faryn! k&r, nt. appal_jack May 2015 #71
sn't DeFazio in trouble now, I thought that the legislators were not allowed to discuss the details hollysmom May 2015 #14
no. he is referencing the tpa (fast track) cali May 2015 #15
oh, thanks, thought they were connected somehow hollysmom May 2015 #16
you're right, they are connected cali May 2015 #24
TPA is problematic, but there's no scientific reason to label GMOs. True Blue Door May 2015 #17
I don't think that's terribly relevant Bradical79 May 2015 #20
There's also no reason not to label GMOs gratuitous May 2015 #21
It's using government to indulge anti-scientific superstitions. True Blue Door May 2015 #27
yeah, like the so-called superstitions about DDT. cali May 2015 #30
Opposition to DDT was based on science. The anti-GMO movement is based on distrust of science. True Blue Door May 2015 #32
`um, not quite correct. It wasn't until the late 1940s cali May 2015 #39
Right, consensus. But there's not even a *basis* for general opposition to GMO. True Blue Door May 2015 #56
you seem to believe that all gmos are the same. they are not. cali May 2015 #44
I know they're not the same. That's my point. True Blue Door May 2015 #47
+1 progressoid May 2015 #70
Whether or not there is a scientific sulphurdunn May 2015 #21
There are a few hundred scientists and more than a dozen countries that will disagree with you. gregcrawford May 2015 #23
88% of AAAS scientists say genetically modified foods are safe to eat progressoid May 2015 #69
whether there is or isn't, over 70 countries do label those products cali May 2015 #25
Freedom of choice does not have to be scientific in basis. Big Blue Marble May 2015 #26
What Happened To This Obama - Promoted The Modification (Scrapping) Of NAFTA - So Confused cantbeserious May 2015 #28
I think corporate millions Thespian2 May 2015 #37
Since Canada and Mexico are part of TPP, he is renegotiating NAFTA. Hoyt May 2015 #40
See The Monsanto Provision - He Is Negotiating For The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious May 2015 #43
How's about you take a stab at citing the Monsanto Amendment in the TPA. No one else has found it. Hoyt May 2015 #48
Complete DU Thread At The Following Link cantbeserious May 2015 #49
I'm not looking for an article by another prevaricator. I'm looking for the amendment Hoyt May 2015 #53
Since The TPP Is Secret - All We Have Is Leaked Information cantbeserious May 2015 #57
Again, we are talking about the TPA, that even a fool can't call "secret." Hoyt May 2015 #61
Without The TPA There Is No TPP - You Should Learn The Difference Before Posting cantbeserious May 2015 #62
The TPA is not secretive, though. And, only thing secret about the TPP is that it is not finished. Hoyt May 2015 #66
Kick! glinda May 2015 #50
K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #51
It is more than that also. Any Corporation can sue to get at any environmental resource it wants. glinda May 2015 #52
Any corporation can sue now. Doesn't mean they'll win, most don't. Hoyt May 2015 #54
Because of corporate dominance over the traditional nation state. ibegurpard May 2015 #58
They can sue now in the "Nation State's" courts or use the tribunals that the Nation State agreed to Hoyt May 2015 #60
Obama says TPP won't put pressure on laws made in the public interest. What a pantload. n/t pa28 May 2015 #64
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