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HassleCat

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28. Under Certain Conditions

Sun May 10, 2015, 02:13 PM

May 2015

If the debates are conducted seriously, with actual discussion of the issues, and not so much emphasis on personalities, and TV talking heads comments about "gravitas" and "electability" and those other mysterious qualities only TV talking heads seem qualified to judge. Bernie Sanders represents someone who is more direct, more honest, less subject to spinning and parsing than... ahem... some of the other candidates. So he has a chance to present himself as a "breath of fresh air." The problem is the media, and their love of soundbytes and soundbyte candidates. They like candidates who play to their tune, and they tend to marginalize candidates who attempt any sort of in-depth discussion. They also like it when candidates smear each other, and... ahem... one of the other candidates has a powerful campaign organization just itching to explore the possibilities of the label "socialist." I guess we can hope Sanders gets a fair shot, even though it seems unrealistic to expect he will be treated fairly.

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Bernie Sanders: I CAN BEAT Hillary Clinton [View all] Segami May 2015 OP

What is he supposed to say? JaneyVee May 2015 #1

My thoughts exactly yeoman6987 May 2015 #69

Bernie is one of the few genuine and honest politicians out there. totodeinhere May 2015 #96

Bernie, has had and no experience or Responsibilities concerning the country! lewebley3 May 2015 #194

Considering what a mess the so-called experienced politicians have made of things totodeinhere May 2015 #201

Bernie is an experienced politician, but not an effective one! lewebley3 May 2015 #216

If she goes down with a deadly scandal then... Helen Borg May 2015 #103

I don't see her going down with a scandal. winter is coming May 2015 #106

Yup, if she makes a major mistake than Bernie has a chance... Helen Borg May 2015 #163

I agree the right has squeezed all the scandal they can get out of her treestar May 2015 #171

You mean like Benghazi? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #145

Does not need to be based on reality... Helen Borg May 2015 #164

I know, This is supposed to be news? Our media and the questions they post are a bunch of clowns. still_one May 2015 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #180

Why are you here? cyberswede May 2015 #183

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #185

We all know Jim Robinson is an asshole. cyberswede May 2015 #186

lol... RiverNoord May 2015 #189

Let's see him put his money where his mouth is RB TexLa May 2015 #2

Lots of money. Thinkingabout May 2015 #5

+1 leftofcool May 2015 #57

How much money do you think he has? daleanime May 2015 #79

So now we're picking candidates by who has the best odds? BrotherIvan May 2015 #8

No just saying if he thinks he will win, it's there for him to take RB TexLa May 2015 #10

It's not a horse race, though to some will be rooting for the horse they put the most money on BrotherIvan May 2015 #13

or who can raise the most money! imthevicar May 2015 #41

Guess the "we're no better than the other guys" sort of applies BrotherIvan May 2015 #61

No Sir, Don't lump me in with that crew. imthevicar May 2015 #136

Even if one of the lesser will push for Women dying in back alleys? randys1 May 2015 #203

You seem to have made a mistake, Bernie's not the one in this to get rich, A Simple Game May 2015 #22

+1 L0oniX May 2015 #178

Cheeses rice! RoccoR5955 May 2015 #43

If you're going to sell out, sell out all the way BrotherIvan May 2015 #62

Indeed Oilwellian May 2015 #70

Souls for sale. L0oniX May 2015 #131

My shoes are getting worn out. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #166

People have bet on politics forever RB TexLa May 2015 #73

Well we have been sold the idea that money is what elects them. zeemike May 2015 #74

As opposed to Hillary, who puts her mouth where her money isn't raindaddy May 2015 #51

Wheee! +10 840high May 2015 #138

I'd take that bet. hootinholler May 2015 #63

Let the fella have his day./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #66

he's put his money where his mouth is by entering the race.. frylock May 2015 #75

Maybe he's not a gambler. totodeinhere May 2015 #97

Warren 16/1??? Helen Borg May 2015 #104

There are lot's of people who are not running you can bet on RB TexLa May 2015 #113

Um... he's running a race against her. He IS putting his 'money' where his mouth is. cui bono May 2015 #124

... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #146

Minor style quibble: Too many words. Reduces the impact of the statement. True Blue Door May 2015 #3

I think he's handling himself well in every appearance. blm May 2015 #4

He is a politician, even Rove said Romney was going to win but had to accept reality. Thinkingabout May 2015 #7

Romborg, and a lot of folks' messages have changed over the years RoccoR5955 May 2015 #45

Then Bernie may have to accept the fact his message is not going to win him the presidency. Thinkingabout May 2015 #46

Oh? Why not? RoccoR5955 May 2015 #48

71% in Vermont? brooklynite May 2015 #59

I take it you have no experience in dealing with people in Vermont. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #115

New Hampshire skews much more conservative in its Republicans... brooklynite May 2015 #123

Oh, I take it that you have been there then? RoccoR5955 May 2015 #135

LOL! Rex May 2015 #142

I travel there regularly for Presidential Primaries... brooklynite May 2015 #143

So you know the people in the state RoccoR5955 May 2015 #167

I also know the US Senator and what her campaigns are like... brooklynite May 2015 #176

Doe has nothing to do with it. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #188

Apparently you don't know me well; I know many Senators... brooklynite May 2015 #191

define non-liberal RoccoR5955 May 2015 #192

The polling is self-defined. This is the addition of identified moderates and identificonservatives brooklynite May 2015 #196

I don't know you from a hole in the wall. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #193

I've met with both of them as well, and I would agree that Bernie is more "personal"... brooklynite May 2015 #197

Again I disagree RoccoR5955 May 2015 #199

Dough Has Everything to do with it. Pyrzqxgl May 2015 #205

Dough was not mentioned, doe was. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #210

This is fun! OilemFirchen May 2015 #190

Funny you should ask... brooklynite May 2015 #198

And yet, OilemFirchen May 2015 #206

You apparently missed the question mark... brooklynite May 2015 #207

No, and I'm agreeing with you. OilemFirchen May 2015 #208

I have passed through Dayton RoccoR5955 May 2015 #211

Friend, those industries - Frigidaire and GM - left town in the 70s. OilemFirchen May 2015 #212

I guess if the Military Industrial Complex is the largest employer RoccoR5955 May 2015 #215

He has to sell himself, his qualifications, his record and his ability to handle all aspects of Thinkingabout May 2015 #85

Please RoccoR5955 May 2015 #114

No. He has the right message for the current climate, and the history to prove winter is coming May 2015 #107

His message is not the right for many others, he will have to sell himself and the one with the Thinkingabout May 2015 #110

?? I never claimed he was "annointed", only that populism is the right message for the current winter is coming May 2015 #111

I couldn't agree more. n/t RoccoR5955 May 2015 #117

She has been for minimum wage increases for many years, wanted to tie wage increases to Congress Thinkingabout May 2015 #118

And once people find out who he is RoccoR5955 May 2015 #116

I have been looking at his record and he has some positions I do not like. Thinkingabout May 2015 #119

Like what? n/t RoccoR5955 May 2015 #158

For one which I have given several times is national security. Thinkingabout May 2015 #160

Oh, so may I presume RoccoR5955 May 2015 #165

If we are living under threats in which we are, yes security is more important. Do you lock Thinkingabout May 2015 #169

And once people find out who he is. stonecutter357 May 2015 #156

So you are against him for ONE issue? RoccoR5955 May 2015 #157

i love Bernie stonecutter357 May 2015 #159

that could show rigid thinking treestar May 2015 #173

Sanders' delivery reminds me most of Harry S. Truman: plain-spoken, non-condescending and KingCharlemagne May 2015 #29

I truly believe that some here actually believe the primaries should go like this: djean111 May 2015 #6

And every member runs out and votes for her - OR ELSE! BrotherIvan May 2015 #11

A meme which has been beat to death rock May 2015 #40

The attitude is there, and so, occasionally, are the words. winter is coming May 2015 #108

Wow. That is astounding. cui bono May 2015 #121

Yeah, that left me kind of whomperjawed. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #122

There are a few Hillary supporters who have chips on their morningfog May 2015 #140

"pests in the party" Yeah ...how dare they not be useful serfs. L0oniX May 2015 #132

Yes, he can. Hiraeth May 2015 #9

I heard the word yes, not the phrase "I can beat Hillary Clinton". boston bean May 2015 #12

"Do you think you can beat Hillary Clinton...?" "The answer is yes..." 2:15 into the clip. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #26

The media wants him to trash Hillary instead of talking about the issues. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #14

I think O'Malley will be happy to do them the favor LuvLoogie May 2015 #25

I half expect some "democrats" to show up on FOX "News" to trash her. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #52

And Bernie wants to talk about the issues instead of trashing Hillary. blm May 2015 #33

Bernie is smart enough to use his face time on TV to talk to America instead of the media. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #49

Exactly... RoccoR5955 May 2015 #47

Which will take focus away from his message treestar May 2015 #172

Of course he can win against Wall Street darling Hillary Geronimoe May 2015 #15

And those cankles! OilemFirchen May 2015 #213

He calls himself a democratic socialist, not an independent socialist, you numbnut old man. Gregorian May 2015 #16

Because he is a Democratic socialist eloydude May 2015 #20

Truth in advertising: Sanders is actually a 'Social Democrat' and NOT a KingCharlemagne May 2015 #32

Doesn't matter yeoman6987 May 2015 #71

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #17

+100000000000000 Initech May 2015 #19

^^^This!^^^ SoapBox May 2015 #24

I'm ready for Bernie madokie May 2015 #27

You think Hillary is evil? nt Cali_Democrat May 2015 #88

For the first time in more than thirty years, I won't have to hold my nose when I vote. ladyVet May 2015 #90

Can't help remembering this dailykos cartoon! pocoloco May 2015 #18

Very good appearance by Bernie BeyondGeography May 2015 #21

He has to prove that he WILL WIN in the General Election. JoePhilly May 2015 #23

Bernie SHALL win the general election because RoccoR5955 May 2015 #53

I think he has a good chance but nobody can prove they can win. totodeinhere May 2015 #98

Many already believe she will win. JoePhilly May 2015 #152

Belief and proof are two different things. You said he had to prove totodeinhere May 2015 #162

You are not listening. JoePhilly May 2015 #168

Some people may, but I never speak ill of another Democrat. totodeinhere May 2015 #200

Sounds good to me ... JoePhilly May 2015 #204

Well I can only speak for myself. Actually I like Hillary Clinton and I could totodeinhere May 2015 #209

Every nominee has to prove that. At this point in an election cycle, "will win" is determined winter is coming May 2015 #109

Then beating Hillary should be easy. JoePhilly May 2015 #150

Hillary has already proven she can lose. L0oniX May 2015 #133

You aren't listening. JoePhilly May 2015 #149

Anyone with the Democratic nod can win against the clown car. joshcryer May 2015 #144

Then Bernie should have no problem beating Hillary. JoePhilly May 2015 #148

The US primary is not (yet) a clown car. joshcryer May 2015 #151

Where did I count him out? JoePhilly May 2015 #153

Under Certain Conditions HassleCat May 2015 #28

This gives the lie to all the people claiming Sanders is 100% honest. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #30

Care to elaborate on your 'this'? - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #34

The claim that he can beat Clinton. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #36

Two months ago, Sanders was polling at (give-or-take) 1%. Now in the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #39

Lets hope... Segami May 2015 #67

LOL, Hillary lost a 30 point lead in 2008. Bet you thought the same thing then. nt Logical May 2015 #44

+1 n/t RoccoR5955 May 2015 #50

I think there are people on DU detached enough from reality that they genuinely believe that pocoloco May 2015 #94

I think the odds are against Clinton, but she has a chance. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #99

She lost to Obama ...that is reality. L0oniX May 2015 #134

They are chomping at the bit for Hillary to be the nominee. morningfog May 2015 #141

So many Rethugs are throwing in their hats because there's no clear front runner in their party, and Metric System May 2015 #202

You have it backward. Bernie is one of the few honest and genuine politicians and if he totodeinhere May 2015 #100

Good one! hootinholler May 2015 #55

True. treestar May 2015 #174

Bernie will have a tough time beating Hillary in the primary, but I think it's possible. Vinca May 2015 #31

How anyone that calls them selves a Democrat would vote for Clinton instead of this man imnew May 2015 #35

Some people have this irrational attachment to winning elections... Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #37

If Clinton wins this primary we will lose imnew May 2015 #82

Probably, but not certainly. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #83

Nice to see there's still a voice of reason on DU sunnystarr May 2015 #179

Bernie is the first real democrat that we have had running CentralMass May 2015 #72

It's amazing to me the support some DU members are giving Clinton imnew May 2015 #81

Hint is Democratic Underground. Historic NY May 2015 #112

So progressive views be damned as long as someone claims a D in front imnew May 2015 #127

There's no value in progressive views if you don't get elected to implement them... brooklynite May 2015 #217

Because she's a Democrat and he's not? treestar May 2015 #175

I especially like the way Sanders pivoted off Schieffer's bumbling KingCharlemagne May 2015 #38

He does that like a champ. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #54

I hope you don't mind me cross posting this to the Bernie group hootinholler May 2015 #42

"Face The Nation"? brooklynite May 2015 #56

Seems like it's getting harder to ignore him hootinholler May 2015 #77

K&R Jefferson23 May 2015 #58

I like that both of our candidates (so far) are being respectful to each other AJH032 May 2015 #60

Will be even more fun when the Clown Car Candidates start their backstabbing for votes. n/t libdem4life May 2015 #68

Not concerned about Bernie beating Hillary. lobodons May 2015 #64

I'm an Indy and so are many of my friends. dgibby May 2015 #84

One thing I really like about him. A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #65

I liked the way Bernie handled that. He seemed to get a dry mouth there for a minute. Enthusiast May 2015 #76

Bernie Sanders WILL beat Hillary Clinton. 99Forever May 2015 #78

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #92

Good test for Bernie going up against Scheiffer The Clueless navarth May 2015 #80

"Scheiffer The Clueless" Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #102

And he will have the opportunity to prove that. hrmjustin May 2015 #86

Bernie is running against the system more than he is running against Hillary. kentuck May 2015 #87

"He has a role to play" Flying Squirrel May 2015 #89

Every candidate says they can win. DCBob May 2015 #91

I agree with that. And when it comes to believable Bernie comes out on top. totodeinhere May 2015 #101

As crappy as Schiefer is, Iwillnevergiveup May 2015 #93

He Voted Against the Iraq War yellowwoodII May 2015 #95

I gave him $100 last week. How about you? Ron Green May 2015 #105

I gave what I could afford and there will be more. 99Forever May 2015 #125

Hell yes you can!!! The people agree with Bernie on just about every one of his positions. cui bono May 2015 #120

K&R woo me with science May 2015 #128

K & R L0oniX May 2015 #129

It's pretty simple. SmittynMo May 2015 #130

The problem isnt beating Hillary the problem is winning the election. cstanleytech May 2015 #137

it actually goes the other way quaker bill May 2015 #147

Your welcome to that opinion but for me I will support whatever democrat is chosen. cstanleytech May 2015 #181

we agree on that quaker bill May 2015 #214

Hillary's world view has led to the problems we face today, Wall Street gives her $300,000+ per whereisjustice May 2015 #139

!!! Alkene May 2015 #154

When Bernie's poll numbers rise as high as Hillary's, I'll believe him. B Calm May 2015 #155

They shall get there... RoccoR5955 May 2015 #195

No, he can't. Orsino May 2015 #161

No he can't treestar May 2015 #170

Yes he can!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G May 2015 #177

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Your'e a racist and you don't belong here. cyberswede May 2015 #184

You're sick dude d_legendary1 May 2015 #187