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Hoyt

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54. Any corporation can sue now. Doesn't mean they'll win, most don't.

Reply to glinda (Reply #52)

Sun May 10, 2015, 02:37 PM

May 2015

If the ISDS is so bad, why is just about every country in the world well ng to accept it?

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US Lawmaker Slams Monsanto Provision in Fast Track Bill for TPP [View all] cali May 2015 OP

What a fucking surprise. Fast track? No wonder Obama wants Fast Track. djean111 May 2015 #1

I remember when I lived in Oregon ibegurpard May 2015 #2

Trusting this Republican Congress on Fast Track has me neverforget May 2015 #3

Everyone should find this troubling- even those who think concern of GMOs cali May 2015 #4

+1 - Troubling is an understatement. Segami May 2015 #18

yes, I know. I'm trying to engage with people who cali May 2015 #31

If Obama wants this failure to be his legacy he can keep on arguing for it randr May 2015 #5

I'm for food labeling too, but there is nothing in the TPA related to food labeling Hoyt May 2015 #6

for fuck's sake, hoyt. this is about a provision in the tpa which GOVERNS cali May 2015 #8

Cite it. The TPA is not classified, and you should know it. Hoyt May 2015 #36

read the bolded paragraph- and yes, obviously I know the tpa is not classified, dearie cali May 2015 #42

But, you won't admit the OP and you are wrong, deary Hoyt May 2015 #46

Do you have a link? They_Live May 2015 #9

The text is classified gregcrawford May 2015 #19

Yes, I know, thanks gregcrawford. They_Live May 2015 #29

The TPA is NOT classified. These people are lying to you. Hoyt May 2015 #35

When did you read the TPP? Thespian2 May 2015 #33

I know the difference between TPA and TPP, and the TPA is not "secret." Hoyt May 2015 #38

Answer the question Thespian2 May 2015 #41

After you cite the so-called "Monsanto Amendment," that doesn't exist. Hoyt May 2015 #45

Did you read the TPP? Thespian2 May 2015 #55

I've read everything that is done to date, and so far no one has produced a Monsanto Amendment Hoyt May 2015 #59

It's right in the bill in black and white. Page 9 Section 2. pa28 May 2015 #63

At least you produced some language, but I think it's a giant stretch to interpret it as the OP. Hoyt May 2015 #65

At the beginning of this subthread you claimed there was no labeling provision in the TPA. pa28 May 2015 #67

The OP says that the TPA includes language allowing companies to sue states for requiring GMO Hoyt May 2015 #68

New Hazards in GMOs from Synonymous Mutations Novara May 2015 #7

DeFazio. LWolf May 2015 #10

Thank you Cali. Another reason to be against TPP. jwirr May 2015 #11

I trust Peter DeFazio far more than I trust the President. Enthusiast May 2015 #12

When the framers wrote the 10th Amendment, did they have the Monsanto Provision in mind? Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #13

K & R !!! Thespian2 May 2015 #34

Excellent questions Faryn! k&r, nt. appal_jack May 2015 #71

sn't DeFazio in trouble now, I thought that the legislators were not allowed to discuss the details hollysmom May 2015 #14

no. he is referencing the tpa (fast track) cali May 2015 #15

oh, thanks, thought they were connected somehow hollysmom May 2015 #16

you're right, they are connected cali May 2015 #24

TPA is problematic, but there's no scientific reason to label GMOs. True Blue Door May 2015 #17

I don't think that's terribly relevant Bradical79 May 2015 #20

There's also no reason not to label GMOs gratuitous May 2015 #21

It's using government to indulge anti-scientific superstitions. True Blue Door May 2015 #27

yeah, like the so-called superstitions about DDT. cali May 2015 #30

Opposition to DDT was based on science. The anti-GMO movement is based on distrust of science. True Blue Door May 2015 #32

`um, not quite correct. It wasn't until the late 1940s cali May 2015 #39

Right, consensus. But there's not even a *basis* for general opposition to GMO. True Blue Door May 2015 #56

you seem to believe that all gmos are the same. they are not. cali May 2015 #44

I know they're not the same. That's my point. True Blue Door May 2015 #47

+1 progressoid May 2015 #70

Whether or not there is a scientific sulphurdunn May 2015 #21

There are a few hundred scientists and more than a dozen countries that will disagree with you. gregcrawford May 2015 #23

88% of AAAS scientists say genetically modified foods are safe to eat progressoid May 2015 #69

whether there is or isn't, over 70 countries do label those products cali May 2015 #25

Freedom of choice does not have to be scientific in basis. Big Blue Marble May 2015 #26

What Happened To This Obama - Promoted The Modification (Scrapping) Of NAFTA - So Confused cantbeserious May 2015 #28

I think corporate millions Thespian2 May 2015 #37

Since Canada and Mexico are part of TPP, he is renegotiating NAFTA. Hoyt May 2015 #40

See The Monsanto Provision - He Is Negotiating For The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious May 2015 #43

How's about you take a stab at citing the Monsanto Amendment in the TPA. No one else has found it. Hoyt May 2015 #48

Complete DU Thread At The Following Link cantbeserious May 2015 #49

I'm not looking for an article by another prevaricator. I'm looking for the amendment Hoyt May 2015 #53

Since The TPP Is Secret - All We Have Is Leaked Information cantbeserious May 2015 #57

Again, we are talking about the TPA, that even a fool can't call "secret." Hoyt May 2015 #61

Without The TPA There Is No TPP - You Should Learn The Difference Before Posting cantbeserious May 2015 #62

The TPA is not secretive, though. And, only thing secret about the TPP is that it is not finished. Hoyt May 2015 #66

Kick! glinda May 2015 #50

K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #51

It is more than that also. Any Corporation can sue to get at any environmental resource it wants. glinda May 2015 #52

Any corporation can sue now. Doesn't mean they'll win, most don't. Hoyt May 2015 #54

Because of corporate dominance over the traditional nation state. ibegurpard May 2015 #58

They can sue now in the "Nation State's" courts or use the tribunals that the Nation State agreed to Hoyt May 2015 #60

Obama says TPP won't put pressure on laws made in the public interest. What a pantload. n/t pa28 May 2015 #64