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MADem

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60. I think people are harshing on the hypocrisy a bit....

Sun May 10, 2015, 09:58 PM

May 2015

That was only a "sin" because a bunch of well-fed guys in dresses and silly hats decided that was the case. Those same well-fed guys used to tell people that they shouldn't eat meat on Friday, and they sold "forgiveness" in the form of Indulgences to the wealthy to fill the church's coffers. They can turn what is a "sin" on and off like a light switch. You can be married, and POOOOOF--you're not! You get an "annulment" -- not a divorce--and who cares if those ten kids you had are now little "bastards" (that's for you jury folks).

Sure, his decision is nice for those who feel a need to get "absolution" for something that their Good Lord Jesus never once even mentioned, I suppose, but I have to stay on the side of the people who say the choice in that matter is personal and belongs to the woman. Bottom line is this--not your womb? Not your problem. Not your business!

Hell, we have a bit in our Constitution about not being forced to quarter soldiers in our homes against our will--it seems only fair to me that women shouldn't be forced to grow fetuses in their bodies against their will. And it's no one's business but the one with the organs capable of doing that hosting.

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Pope Francis To Send Out Priests To Forgive The 'Sin' Of Women Who Have Had Abortions [View all] okaawhatever May 2015 OP

. PeaceNikki May 2015 #1

FOH. JaneyVee May 2015 #2

oh, how nice of him to "forgive" these women for their "sin" Terra Alta May 2015 #3

The church needs to start asking women for forgiveness. LeftyMom May 2015 #4

Amen. As well as the survivors and families of children they abused. PeaceNikki May 2015 #5

Overwhelming chutzpah from these men in that church. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #151

What Nikki said. beam me up scottie May 2015 #16

Trying to think of something nice to say... DawgHouse May 2015 #6

I like the remark of making the home for all. Thinkingabout May 2015 #7

Fuck you Pope! nt haikugal May 2015 #8

Wow, how big of him. Backhanded shaming rituals. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #9

Fuck them. I don't need forgiveness. Nt a la izquierda May 2015 #10

The new babylonian bulls**ter is the same as the old one. Dawson Leery May 2015 #11

Not being Catholic ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #12

You are so right Lordquinton May 2015 #17

Why would it? NanceGreggs May 2015 #18

Do you really believe that the Vatican's policies don't affect us? beam me up scottie May 2015 #19

Why does anyone care what Pam Gellar does? Lordquinton May 2015 #20

So ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #21

Nice goalpost changing Lordquinton May 2015 #22

Please re-read your post. NanceGreggs May 2015 #23

And now you're deflecting Lordquinton May 2015 #24

Your earlier post does not make sense. NanceGreggs May 2015 #29

still deflecting Lordquinton May 2015 #34

There is some weird dissonance going on here. Arugula Latte May 2015 #127

I had to make sure I was still on Democratic underground Lordquinton May 2015 #128

Why would a so called atheist be so defensive about religion? beam me up scottie May 2015 #130

It's odd. There's no acknowledgment of it being a two-way street, at all. Arugula Latte May 2015 #143

She said she doesn't care if atheists are mocked. beam me up scottie May 2015 #145

Yeah, it's RUDE and OBNOXIOUS to mock believers, but the reverse is not true at all. Arugula Latte May 2015 #147

"The FSM weeps starchy water." beam me up scottie May 2015 #148

I am going to try this one more time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #44

Your going to deflect one more time? Lordquinton May 2015 #45

Okay, we're done. NanceGreggs May 2015 #47

Deflection is all you have, I guess. Your position is indefensible after all Lordquinton May 2015 #71

Stop misrepresenting their post. beam me up scottie May 2015 #30

What do Geller, Kim Jong Un, or Karl Rove ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #31

as you well know what any of them says has a real world affect Lordquinton May 2015 #35

You: beam me up scottie May 2015 #37

Link or slink. NanceGreggs May 2015 #49

You never actually said those exact words. beam me up scottie May 2015 #50

"You never actually said those exact words." NanceGreggs May 2015 #52

Thread nannies who scold religion's victims are not progressives. beam me up scottie May 2015 #58

Well, you go right ahead and do that. NanceGreggs May 2015 #61

Like I told you yesterday I don't need your permission. beam me up scottie May 2015 #64

Being mocked by certain people on DU ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #88

You just keep telling yourself that, Nance. beam me up scottie May 2015 #90

I prefer real life ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #91

"no one - and I do mean no one - is the least bit interested in what DU has to say about anything" beam me up scottie May 2015 #92

Why are you here then? phil89 May 2015 #110

I'm an atheist. NanceGreggs May 2015 #113

Oh come on... gcomeau May 2015 #33

Of course. NanceGreggs May 2015 #39

why? Really? Warren DeMontague May 2015 #94

Because vast numbers of people listen to him, that's why. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #103

No thank you. ismnotwasm May 2015 #13

Since one of the more contentious threads tonight was about insulting religious figures... backscatter712 May 2015 #14

Minchin is brilliant... SidDithers May 2015 #25

Loved him as Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar. CharlotteVale May 2015 #27

Fuck the pope and fuck everyone who tells me I have to respect his beliefs. beam me up scottie May 2015 #15

Hey Pope, take your "forgiveness" and shove it. CharlotteVale May 2015 #26

I will say this--he's trying like hell to get people to come back to the club! MADem May 2015 #28

It's very "Buddy Christ" PeaceNikki May 2015 #32

they give them out over twitter now Lordquinton May 2015 #129

I'm trying to figure out why so many people think this is bad. NaturalHigh May 2015 #36

"The Church doesn't get to dictate what is or is not a constitutional right in this country." beam me up scottie May 2015 #40

Do you want to restrict Pope Francis's right to free speech? NaturalHigh May 2015 #41

Nope, I want everyone to see his bigoted hate speech. beam me up scottie May 2015 #42

the pope is not an American citizen, so your argument makes no sense Lordquinton May 2015 #43

I don't want to silence anyone. NaturalHigh May 2015 #56

how brave expressing the majority opinion Lordquinton May 2015 #68

He wants to restrict our rights to abortion and birth control. Talk about infringing on freedom! Arugula Latte May 2015 #57

He doesn't make American policy. NaturalHigh May 2015 #59

no, he directs millions of dollars to be funneled into elections Lordquinton May 2015 #73

Thanks, I was just getting to that. beam me up scottie May 2015 #79

They know. Mariana May 2015 #115

You're right. beam me up scottie May 2015 #124

Look at these assholes testifying in front of Congress against birth control ... Makes me sick: Arugula Latte May 2015 #111

The U.S. Conference of Bishops have no lobbyists Drahthaardogs May 2015 #82

"How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Court�s Hobby Lobby debacle" beam me up scottie May 2015 #85

where is the lobby? Drahthaardogs May 2015 #86

Nope, I said the Church spends millions lobbying against our rights. beam me up scottie May 2015 #89

But they don't. Drahthaardogs May 2015 #97

So... You're saying they have no power in our legislative process? BS PeaceNikki May 2015 #98

You could and you would still be wrong. Drahthaardogs May 2015 #149

Oh, I understand it. They are bullies who try to stomp all over the minority. PeaceNikki May 2015 #150

Um, no. It is much more than that. Drahthaardogs May 2015 #152

Millions. PeaceNikki May 2015 #100

And it's funny there is no consideration of Catholic voters treestar May 2015 #107

"So it's overall a positive thing."??? beam me up scottie May 2015 #131

I was referring to his recent actions treestar May 2015 #135

Forgiving the women he accused of committing "horrific" crimes against their children beam me up scottie May 2015 #136

From where he comes from treestar May 2015 #137

They sank a shitload of money into Prop 8 in California. Arugula Latte May 2015 #114

but but but they don't hire corporate lobbying firms so it clearly means nothing. PeaceNikki May 2015 #120

They did it by lying about my posts. beam me up scottie May 2015 #122

NO they didn't Drahthaardogs May 2015 #153

Yes, they do. beam me up scottie May 2015 #121

I think people are harshing on the hypocrisy a bit.... MADem May 2015 #60

I don't disagree with what you are saying. NaturalHigh May 2015 #63

I really do take your point. MADem May 2015 #65

Well, after all MADem, the Catholic Church has been making bank... malthaussen May 2015 #133

Yes -- isn't it funny how the concept of "morality" has morphed over the years. MADem May 2015 #138

Does abstinence make the heart grow fonder? malthaussen May 2015 #139

Oh, it's a brand-growing exercise, though, make no mistake. MADem May 2015 #140

Oh, but even the Gospels are full of that. malthaussen May 2015 #141

Because it is condescending and insulting. Laffy Kat May 2015 #76

The first thing that comes to my mind is.... peace13 May 2015 #112

For some women this will be a psychological burden lifted. lostnfound May 2015 #38

This was one reason why I left the Catholic Church HockeyMom May 2015 #46

Only an evil institution would say such slanderous things about an abused woman. Dawson Leery May 2015 #54

+ 1 Person 2713 May 2015 #87

Do you have any links to articles about that period? I am very interested in what happened in Spain StevieM May 2015 #119

The Lost Children of Francoism. Dawson Leery May 2015 #154

I agree - coming from where the Pope comes from treestar May 2015 #106

They only have that psychological burden in the first place Mariana May 2015 #116

Snort Solly Mack May 2015 #48

Oh, c'mon, Solly. beam me up scottie May 2015 #51

Do I also get a pat on the head? Solly Mack May 2015 #66

I'm sure that can be arranged. beam me up scottie May 2015 #67

I once scooped a fetus out of a toilet after a friend miscarried while...going. Solly Mack May 2015 #70

Maybe we should all save our used pads/tampons etc and mail them to the pope. beam me up scottie May 2015 #72

Oh, it's too late for me. I got that sucker yanked out years ago. Solly Mack May 2015 #75

All those cute little bebbies. beam me up scottie May 2015 #77

I dunno. Some of'em might have been ugly. Solly Mack May 2015 #81

"Come on back, ladies, so you can disappoint us again." Orsino May 2015 #96

Catholic women I know who had abortions Warpy May 2015 #53

I have a message for Pope Awesome: Arugula Latte May 2015 #55

The pope can go fuck himself. HERVEPA May 2015 #62

these women don't need forgiveness Lordquinton May 2015 #69

Men who decided to never have sex for the rest of their lives undeterred May 2015 #74

LOL. Good one. nt okaawhatever May 2015 #78

LMAO! +1 beam me up scottie May 2015 #80

The pope says that about 1 in 50 priests are pedophiles Major Nikon May 2015 #84

Wow! The church must be desperate for members notadmblnd May 2015 #83

I really think the organization that has spent hundreds of millions defending child abusing priests Warren DeMontague May 2015 #93

Ah, yes. Crimen Sollicitationis. beam me up scottie May 2015 #95

I can't tell you how good it is to have you posting regularly again... SidDithers May 2015 #99

Aw, Sid... beam me up scottie May 2015 #125

A special thank you to the pope. 99Forever May 2015 #101

That's awful. I'm so sorry that happened to her and thousands of other women. PeaceNikki May 2015 #102

I'll never let go of what they did. 99Forever May 2015 #105

I agree. PeaceNikki May 2015 #109

Nobody excommunicates divorc�es. ucrdem May 2015 #117

They absolutely used to. My grandfather was excommunicated for divorce in the late 40's. PeaceNikki May 2015 #118

Okay but divorc�e is a feminine noun ucrdem May 2015 #123

It was 1958. I was 4 years old. 99Forever May 2015 #144

I am so sorry. beam me up scottie May 2015 #126

In the end it had a net positive affect. 99Forever May 2015 #142

Your mom was a courageous woman. beam me up scottie May 2015 #146

Lots of DUers who claim to be Pro Choice and Pro equality have loudly endorsed this man. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #104

I understand where many are coming from, particularly those who have no relation to the church. Xyzse May 2015 #108

Does this require a visit with a priest? ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #132

Wonder what the pennance will be. malthaussen May 2015 #134