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85. "How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby debacle"
Sun May 10, 2015, 11:35 PM
May 2015
How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby debacle

The Catholic bishops now sought a broad-based conscience clause that would allow any employer or insurer to refuse to cover contraceptives for any religious or moral objection. This represented a major escalation in the grounds for claiming conscience protections. Traditionally so-called conscience clauses, like the 1973 Church Amendment, protected individuals or health care entities like hospitals only from being compelled to directly perform abortions or sterilizations in violation of their moral or religious beliefs. In 1997, the federal government expanded conscience protections to the payers of abortion-related services when it allowed Medicaid and Medicare managed-care plans to refuse to pay providers for abortion counseling or referral services. Now the bishops were attempting to extend conscience protection to any payer who had a “moral” objection to contraception. Such a measure would make contraceptive coverage mandates useless, because any employer or insurer could opt out. And it would once again leave women’s reproductive health care at the mercy of individual employers and insurers and stigmatize contraceptives, like abortion, as a segregated health service that could be carved out of the continuum of women’s health needs.

The bishops failed to get a broader conscience clause in the bill mandating coverage of contraceptives for federal employees, but they did manage to get an exemption for the five religiously affiliated plans in the system. Having set the precedent that religious providers would be treated differently concerning the provision of reproductive health care, even in the matter of noncontroversial services such as contraception, the bishops launched a major new effort to create broad conscience exemptions.

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There was more at stake that just the bishops’ authority over services provided by Catholic institutions. Domestic and international social service agencies affiliated with the church, like Catholic Charities USA and Catholic Relief Services, receive hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts each year to provide social services to the poor, run adoption agencies, and manage international development projects. Catholic Charities affiliates received nearly $3 billion in government funding in 2010, accounting for more than 60 percent of their revenue. Religiously affiliated hospitals in the United States, of which 70 percent are Catholic, receive some $40 billion in government funding each year through Medicare and Medicaid and other government programs.

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/14/how_the_catholic_church_masterminded_the_supreme_courts_hobby_lobby_debacle/


The Personhood Movement: Internal Battles Go Public: Part 2

In 1975, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops had developed a plan to turn every diocese into an anti-choice political machine and to use its existing infrastructure to set up an office in every congressional district. The bishops’ plan included a four-pronged legislative strategy, which continues to guide the anti-choice movement today:

(a) Passage of a constitutional amendment providing protection for the unborn child to the maximum degree possible.

(b) Passage of federal and state laws and adoption of administrative policies that will restrict the practice of abortion as much as possible.

(c) Continual research into and refinement and precise interpretation of Roe and Doe and subsequent court decisions.

(d) Support for legislation that provides alternatives to abortion.


In other words: fight for an amendment to undo Roe, but at the same time work through the courts and legislatures to make it harder for women to access legal abortion. While Roe would remain the law of the land, women would not be able to actually exercise their rights.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/personhood-movement-internal-battles-go-public-part-2-0


Report Says Religious Right And Catholic Bishops Dominate ‘Faithful’ Lobbying

In D.C. A report issued by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life finds that religious advocacy groups in the nation’s capital are growing and that most of the largest organizations are affiliated with the Religious Right or the Roman Catholic hierarchy.

The November report, “Lobbying for the Faithful: Religious Advocacy Groups in Washington, D.C.,” surveyed more than 200 groups that engage in advocacy and/or lobbying in the nation’s capital. It found explosive growth in such groups, noting that the number of these organizations jumped from 67 in 1970 to 212 today.

Furthermore, the groups raise and spend significant sums of money. One of the largest religious advocacy organizations in Washington, for example, is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which has an annual budget of $26.6 million.

Other top spenders include the Family Research Council ($14.2 million), Concerned Women for America ($12.5 million), the National Right to Life Committee ($11.3 million) and Focus on the Family’s CitizenLink ($10.8 million).

Collectively, the 212 groups surveyed raise and spend $390 million a year.

Of the top 15 groups listed, 10 are Religious Right organizations or take stands in alignment with the Catholic hierarchy. Groups that failed to make the top 15 but that still have considerable budgets include the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission ($3.2 million), the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty ($2.2 million) and the Eagle Forum ($2.2 million).

https://www.au.org/church-state/january-2012-church-state/people-events/report-says-religious-right-and-catholic


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. PeaceNikki May 2015 #1
FOH. JaneyVee May 2015 #2
oh, how nice of him to "forgive" these women for their "sin" Terra Alta May 2015 #3
The church needs to start asking women for forgiveness. LeftyMom May 2015 #4
Amen. As well as the survivors and families of children they abused. PeaceNikki May 2015 #5
Overwhelming chutzpah from these men in that church. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #151
What Nikki said. beam me up scottie May 2015 #16
Trying to think of something nice to say... DawgHouse May 2015 #6
I like the remark of making the home for all. Thinkingabout May 2015 #7
Fuck you Pope! nt haikugal May 2015 #8
Wow, how big of him. Backhanded shaming rituals. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #9
Fuck them. I don't need forgiveness. Nt a la izquierda May 2015 #10
The new babylonian bulls**ter is the same as the old one. Dawson Leery May 2015 #11
Not being Catholic ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #12
You are so right Lordquinton May 2015 #17
Why would it? NanceGreggs May 2015 #18
Do you really believe that the Vatican's policies don't affect us? beam me up scottie May 2015 #19
Why does anyone care what Pam Gellar does? Lordquinton May 2015 #20
So ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #21
Nice goalpost changing Lordquinton May 2015 #22
Please re-read your post. NanceGreggs May 2015 #23
And now you're deflecting Lordquinton May 2015 #24
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still deflecting Lordquinton May 2015 #34
There is some weird dissonance going on here. Arugula Latte May 2015 #127
I had to make sure I was still on Democratic underground Lordquinton May 2015 #128
Why would a so called atheist be so defensive about religion? beam me up scottie May 2015 #130
It's odd. There's no acknowledgment of it being a two-way street, at all. Arugula Latte May 2015 #143
She said she doesn't care if atheists are mocked. beam me up scottie May 2015 #145
Yeah, it's RUDE and OBNOXIOUS to mock believers, but the reverse is not true at all. Arugula Latte May 2015 #147
"The FSM weeps starchy water." beam me up scottie May 2015 #148
I am going to try this one more time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #44
Your going to deflect one more time? Lordquinton May 2015 #45
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Deflection is all you have, I guess. Your position is indefensible after all Lordquinton May 2015 #71
Stop misrepresenting their post. beam me up scottie May 2015 #30
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as you well know what any of them says has a real world affect Lordquinton May 2015 #35
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Thread nannies who scold religion's victims are not progressives. beam me up scottie May 2015 #58
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Being mocked by certain people on DU ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #88
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Why are you here then? phil89 May 2015 #110
I'm an atheist. NanceGreggs May 2015 #113
Oh come on... gcomeau May 2015 #33
Of course. NanceGreggs May 2015 #39
why? Really? Warren DeMontague May 2015 #94
Because vast numbers of people listen to him, that's why. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #103
No thank you. ismnotwasm May 2015 #13
Since one of the more contentious threads tonight was about insulting religious figures... backscatter712 May 2015 #14
Minchin is brilliant... SidDithers May 2015 #25
Loved him as Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar. CharlotteVale May 2015 #27
Fuck the pope and fuck everyone who tells me I have to respect his beliefs. beam me up scottie May 2015 #15
Hey Pope, take your "forgiveness" and shove it. CharlotteVale May 2015 #26
I will say this--he's trying like hell to get people to come back to the club! MADem May 2015 #28
It's very "Buddy Christ" PeaceNikki May 2015 #32
they give them out over twitter now Lordquinton May 2015 #129
I'm trying to figure out why so many people think this is bad. NaturalHigh May 2015 #36
"The Church doesn't get to dictate what is or is not a constitutional right in this country." beam me up scottie May 2015 #40
Do you want to restrict Pope Francis's right to free speech? NaturalHigh May 2015 #41
Nope, I want everyone to see his bigoted hate speech. beam me up scottie May 2015 #42
the pope is not an American citizen, so your argument makes no sense Lordquinton May 2015 #43
I don't want to silence anyone. NaturalHigh May 2015 #56
how brave expressing the majority opinion Lordquinton May 2015 #68
He wants to restrict our rights to abortion and birth control. Talk about infringing on freedom! Arugula Latte May 2015 #57
He doesn't make American policy. NaturalHigh May 2015 #59
no, he directs millions of dollars to be funneled into elections Lordquinton May 2015 #73
Thanks, I was just getting to that. beam me up scottie May 2015 #79
They know. Mariana May 2015 #115
You're right. beam me up scottie May 2015 #124
Look at these assholes testifying in front of Congress against birth control ... Makes me sick: Arugula Latte May 2015 #111
The U.S. Conference of Bishops have no lobbyists Drahthaardogs May 2015 #82
"How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby debacle" beam me up scottie May 2015 #85
where is the lobby? Drahthaardogs May 2015 #86
Nope, I said the Church spends millions lobbying against our rights. beam me up scottie May 2015 #89
But they don't. Drahthaardogs May 2015 #97
So... You're saying they have no power in our legislative process? BS PeaceNikki May 2015 #98
You could and you would still be wrong. Drahthaardogs May 2015 #149
Oh, I understand it. They are bullies who try to stomp all over the minority. PeaceNikki May 2015 #150
Um, no. It is much more than that. Drahthaardogs May 2015 #152
Millions. PeaceNikki May 2015 #100
And it's funny there is no consideration of Catholic voters treestar May 2015 #107
"So it's overall a positive thing."??? beam me up scottie May 2015 #131
I was referring to his recent actions treestar May 2015 #135
Forgiving the women he accused of committing "horrific" crimes against their children beam me up scottie May 2015 #136
From where he comes from treestar May 2015 #137
They sank a shitload of money into Prop 8 in California. Arugula Latte May 2015 #114
but but but they don't hire corporate lobbying firms so it clearly means nothing. PeaceNikki May 2015 #120
They did it by lying about my posts. beam me up scottie May 2015 #122
NO they didn't Drahthaardogs May 2015 #153
Yes, they do. beam me up scottie May 2015 #121
I think people are harshing on the hypocrisy a bit.... MADem May 2015 #60
I don't disagree with what you are saying. NaturalHigh May 2015 #63
I really do take your point. MADem May 2015 #65
Well, after all MADem, the Catholic Church has been making bank... malthaussen May 2015 #133
Yes -- isn't it funny how the concept of "morality" has morphed over the years. MADem May 2015 #138
Does abstinence make the heart grow fonder? malthaussen May 2015 #139
Oh, it's a brand-growing exercise, though, make no mistake. MADem May 2015 #140
Oh, but even the Gospels are full of that. malthaussen May 2015 #141
Because it is condescending and insulting. Laffy Kat May 2015 #76
The first thing that comes to my mind is.... peace13 May 2015 #112
For some women this will be a psychological burden lifted. lostnfound May 2015 #38
This was one reason why I left the Catholic Church HockeyMom May 2015 #46
Only an evil institution would say such slanderous things about an abused woman. Dawson Leery May 2015 #54
+ 1 Person 2713 May 2015 #87
Do you have any links to articles about that period? I am very interested in what happened in Spain StevieM May 2015 #119
The Lost Children of Francoism. Dawson Leery May 2015 #154
I agree - coming from where the Pope comes from treestar May 2015 #106
They only have that psychological burden in the first place Mariana May 2015 #116
Snort Solly Mack May 2015 #48
Oh, c'mon, Solly. beam me up scottie May 2015 #51
Do I also get a pat on the head? Solly Mack May 2015 #66
I'm sure that can be arranged. beam me up scottie May 2015 #67
I once scooped a fetus out of a toilet after a friend miscarried while...going. Solly Mack May 2015 #70
Maybe we should all save our used pads/tampons etc and mail them to the pope. beam me up scottie May 2015 #72
Oh, it's too late for me. I got that sucker yanked out years ago. Solly Mack May 2015 #75
All those cute little bebbies. beam me up scottie May 2015 #77
I dunno. Some of'em might have been ugly. Solly Mack May 2015 #81
"Come on back, ladies, so you can disappoint us again." Orsino May 2015 #96
Catholic women I know who had abortions Warpy May 2015 #53
I have a message for Pope Awesome: Arugula Latte May 2015 #55
The pope can go fuck himself. HERVEPA May 2015 #62
these women don't need forgiveness Lordquinton May 2015 #69
Men who decided to never have sex for the rest of their lives undeterred May 2015 #74
LOL. Good one. nt okaawhatever May 2015 #78
LMAO! +1 beam me up scottie May 2015 #80
The pope says that about 1 in 50 priests are pedophiles Major Nikon May 2015 #84
Wow! The church must be desperate for members notadmblnd May 2015 #83
I really think the organization that has spent hundreds of millions defending child abusing priests Warren DeMontague May 2015 #93
Ah, yes. Crimen Sollicitationis. beam me up scottie May 2015 #95
I can't tell you how good it is to have you posting regularly again... SidDithers May 2015 #99
Aw, Sid... beam me up scottie May 2015 #125
A special thank you to the pope. 99Forever May 2015 #101
That's awful. I'm so sorry that happened to her and thousands of other women. PeaceNikki May 2015 #102
I'll never let go of what they did. 99Forever May 2015 #105
I agree. PeaceNikki May 2015 #109
Nobody excommunicates divorcées. ucrdem May 2015 #117
They absolutely used to. My grandfather was excommunicated for divorce in the late 40's. PeaceNikki May 2015 #118
Okay but divorcée is a feminine noun ucrdem May 2015 #123
It was 1958. I was 4 years old. 99Forever May 2015 #144
I am so sorry. beam me up scottie May 2015 #126
In the end it had a net positive affect. 99Forever May 2015 #142
Your mom was a courageous woman. beam me up scottie May 2015 #146
Lots of DUers who claim to be Pro Choice and Pro equality have loudly endorsed this man. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #104
I understand where many are coming from, particularly those who have no relation to the church. Xyzse May 2015 #108
Does this require a visit with a priest? ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #132
Wonder what the pennance will be. malthaussen May 2015 #134
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