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In reply to the discussion: Pope Francis To Send Out Priests To Forgive The 'Sin' Of Women Who Have Had Abortions [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)85. "How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby debacle"
How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Courts Hobby Lobby debacle
The Catholic bishops now sought a broad-based conscience clause that would allow any employer or insurer to refuse to cover contraceptives for any religious or moral objection. This represented a major escalation in the grounds for claiming conscience protections. Traditionally so-called conscience clauses, like the 1973 Church Amendment, protected individuals or health care entities like hospitals only from being compelled to directly perform abortions or sterilizations in violation of their moral or religious beliefs. In 1997, the federal government expanded conscience protections to the payers of abortion-related services when it allowed Medicaid and Medicare managed-care plans to refuse to pay providers for abortion counseling or referral services. Now the bishops were attempting to extend conscience protection to any payer who had a moral objection to contraception. Such a measure would make contraceptive coverage mandates useless, because any employer or insurer could opt out. And it would once again leave womens reproductive health care at the mercy of individual employers and insurers and stigmatize contraceptives, like abortion, as a segregated health service that could be carved out of the continuum of womens health needs.
The bishops failed to get a broader conscience clause in the bill mandating coverage of contraceptives for federal employees, but they did manage to get an exemption for the five religiously affiliated plans in the system. Having set the precedent that religious providers would be treated differently concerning the provision of reproductive health care, even in the matter of noncontroversial services such as contraception, the bishops launched a major new effort to create broad conscience exemptions.
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There was more at stake that just the bishops authority over services provided by Catholic institutions. Domestic and international social service agencies affiliated with the church, like Catholic Charities USA and Catholic Relief Services, receive hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts each year to provide social services to the poor, run adoption agencies, and manage international development projects. Catholic Charities affiliates received nearly $3 billion in government funding in 2010, accounting for more than 60 percent of their revenue. Religiously affiliated hospitals in the United States, of which 70 percent are Catholic, receive some $40 billion in government funding each year through Medicare and Medicaid and other government programs.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/14/how_the_catholic_church_masterminded_the_supreme_courts_hobby_lobby_debacle/
The Catholic bishops now sought a broad-based conscience clause that would allow any employer or insurer to refuse to cover contraceptives for any religious or moral objection. This represented a major escalation in the grounds for claiming conscience protections. Traditionally so-called conscience clauses, like the 1973 Church Amendment, protected individuals or health care entities like hospitals only from being compelled to directly perform abortions or sterilizations in violation of their moral or religious beliefs. In 1997, the federal government expanded conscience protections to the payers of abortion-related services when it allowed Medicaid and Medicare managed-care plans to refuse to pay providers for abortion counseling or referral services. Now the bishops were attempting to extend conscience protection to any payer who had a moral objection to contraception. Such a measure would make contraceptive coverage mandates useless, because any employer or insurer could opt out. And it would once again leave womens reproductive health care at the mercy of individual employers and insurers and stigmatize contraceptives, like abortion, as a segregated health service that could be carved out of the continuum of womens health needs.
The bishops failed to get a broader conscience clause in the bill mandating coverage of contraceptives for federal employees, but they did manage to get an exemption for the five religiously affiliated plans in the system. Having set the precedent that religious providers would be treated differently concerning the provision of reproductive health care, even in the matter of noncontroversial services such as contraception, the bishops launched a major new effort to create broad conscience exemptions.
...
There was more at stake that just the bishops authority over services provided by Catholic institutions. Domestic and international social service agencies affiliated with the church, like Catholic Charities USA and Catholic Relief Services, receive hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts each year to provide social services to the poor, run adoption agencies, and manage international development projects. Catholic Charities affiliates received nearly $3 billion in government funding in 2010, accounting for more than 60 percent of their revenue. Religiously affiliated hospitals in the United States, of which 70 percent are Catholic, receive some $40 billion in government funding each year through Medicare and Medicaid and other government programs.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/14/how_the_catholic_church_masterminded_the_supreme_courts_hobby_lobby_debacle/
The Personhood Movement: Internal Battles Go Public: Part 2
In 1975, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops had developed a plan to turn every diocese into an anti-choice political machine and to use its existing infrastructure to set up an office in every congressional district. The bishops plan included a four-pronged legislative strategy, which continues to guide the anti-choice movement today:
In other words: fight for an amendment to undo Roe, but at the same time work through the courts and legislatures to make it harder for women to access legal abortion. While Roe would remain the law of the land, women would not be able to actually exercise their rights.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/personhood-movement-internal-battles-go-public-part-2-0
In 1975, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops had developed a plan to turn every diocese into an anti-choice political machine and to use its existing infrastructure to set up an office in every congressional district. The bishops plan included a four-pronged legislative strategy, which continues to guide the anti-choice movement today:
(a) Passage of a constitutional amendment providing protection for the unborn child to the maximum degree possible.
(b) Passage of federal and state laws and adoption of administrative policies that will restrict the practice of abortion as much as possible.
(c) Continual research into and refinement and precise interpretation of Roe and Doe and subsequent court decisions.
(d) Support for legislation that provides alternatives to abortion.
In other words: fight for an amendment to undo Roe, but at the same time work through the courts and legislatures to make it harder for women to access legal abortion. While Roe would remain the law of the land, women would not be able to actually exercise their rights.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/personhood-movement-internal-battles-go-public-part-2-0
Report Says Religious Right And Catholic Bishops Dominate Faithful Lobbying
In D.C. A report issued by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life finds that religious advocacy groups in the nations capital are growing and that most of the largest organizations are affiliated with the Religious Right or the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
The November report, Lobbying for the Faithful: Religious Advocacy Groups in Washington, D.C., surveyed more than 200 groups that engage in advocacy and/or lobbying in the nations capital. It found explosive growth in such groups, noting that the number of these organizations jumped from 67 in 1970 to 212 today.
Furthermore, the groups raise and spend significant sums of money. One of the largest religious advocacy organizations in Washington, for example, is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which has an annual budget of $26.6 million.
Other top spenders include the Family Research Council ($14.2 million), Concerned Women for America ($12.5 million), the National Right to Life Committee ($11.3 million) and Focus on the Familys CitizenLink ($10.8 million).
Collectively, the 212 groups surveyed raise and spend $390 million a year.
Of the top 15 groups listed, 10 are Religious Right organizations or take stands in alignment with the Catholic hierarchy. Groups that failed to make the top 15 but that still have considerable budgets include the Southern Baptist Conventions Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission ($3.2 million), the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty ($2.2 million) and the Eagle Forum ($2.2 million).
https://www.au.org/church-state/january-2012-church-state/people-events/report-says-religious-right-and-catholic
In D.C. A report issued by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life finds that religious advocacy groups in the nations capital are growing and that most of the largest organizations are affiliated with the Religious Right or the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
The November report, Lobbying for the Faithful: Religious Advocacy Groups in Washington, D.C., surveyed more than 200 groups that engage in advocacy and/or lobbying in the nations capital. It found explosive growth in such groups, noting that the number of these organizations jumped from 67 in 1970 to 212 today.
Furthermore, the groups raise and spend significant sums of money. One of the largest religious advocacy organizations in Washington, for example, is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which has an annual budget of $26.6 million.
Other top spenders include the Family Research Council ($14.2 million), Concerned Women for America ($12.5 million), the National Right to Life Committee ($11.3 million) and Focus on the Familys CitizenLink ($10.8 million).
Collectively, the 212 groups surveyed raise and spend $390 million a year.
Of the top 15 groups listed, 10 are Religious Right organizations or take stands in alignment with the Catholic hierarchy. Groups that failed to make the top 15 but that still have considerable budgets include the Southern Baptist Conventions Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission ($3.2 million), the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty ($2.2 million) and the Eagle Forum ($2.2 million).
https://www.au.org/church-state/january-2012-church-state/people-events/report-says-religious-right-and-catholic
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Pope Francis To Send Out Priests To Forgive The 'Sin' Of Women Who Have Had Abortions [View all]
okaawhatever
May 2015
OP
It's odd. There's no acknowledgment of it being a two-way street, at all.
Arugula Latte
May 2015
#143
Yeah, it's RUDE and OBNOXIOUS to mock believers, but the reverse is not true at all.
Arugula Latte
May 2015
#147
Deflection is all you have, I guess. Your position is indefensible after all
Lordquinton
May 2015
#71
"no one - and I do mean no one - is the least bit interested in what DU has to say about anything"
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#92
Since one of the more contentious threads tonight was about insulting religious figures...
backscatter712
May 2015
#14
Fuck the pope and fuck everyone who tells me I have to respect his beliefs.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#15
"The Church doesn't get to dictate what is or is not a constitutional right in this country."
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#40
He wants to restrict our rights to abortion and birth control. Talk about infringing on freedom!
Arugula Latte
May 2015
#57
Look at these assholes testifying in front of Congress against birth control ... Makes me sick:
Arugula Latte
May 2015
#111
"How the Catholic Church masterminded the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby debacle"
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#85
Nope, I said the Church spends millions lobbying against our rights.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#89
Oh, I understand it. They are bullies who try to stomp all over the minority.
PeaceNikki
May 2015
#150
Forgiving the women he accused of committing "horrific" crimes against their children
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#136
but but but they don't hire corporate lobbying firms so it clearly means nothing.
PeaceNikki
May 2015
#120
Only an evil institution would say such slanderous things about an abused woman.
Dawson Leery
May 2015
#54
Do you have any links to articles about that period? I am very interested in what happened in Spain
StevieM
May 2015
#119
I once scooped a fetus out of a toilet after a friend miscarried while...going.
Solly Mack
May 2015
#70
Maybe we should all save our used pads/tampons etc and mail them to the pope.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#72
I really think the organization that has spent hundreds of millions defending child abusing priests
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#93
That's awful. I'm so sorry that happened to her and thousands of other women.
PeaceNikki
May 2015
#102
They absolutely used to. My grandfather was excommunicated for divorce in the late 40's.
PeaceNikki
May 2015
#118
Lots of DUers who claim to be Pro Choice and Pro equality have loudly endorsed this man.
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#104