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kenfrequed

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50. Elucidate the issue.
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:54 PM
May 2015

Explain the issue without referring to Friedmanesque hyperbole or allusions. If you truly are concerned about this issue then explain it; what precisely is the problem that requires us to frame the issue of trade in terms of these questionable compacts?

It is a false question to pose in this context that opposition to plans that benefit primarily the wealthy at the expense of the labor and livelihood of American workers, and the health and welfare of the poor people working in factories of Zhenzhou and other places without protection of any kind, would indicate a "lack of a plan."

Please treat reasonably with this as I have little time for games.

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That is a good question. leftofcool May 2015 #1
FFS. How about sponsoring bills before congress. Have a look here, just a few recent 2015 bills: NYC_SKP May 2015 #4
None of that has anything to do with trade MaggieD May 2015 #8
OK, Here are 132 Trade Bills sponsored or cosponsored by Sanders: NYC_SKP May 2015 #10
So how has any of that helped? MaggieD May 2015 #13
Is that a turbocharged V-6 or a supercharged V-8 in that goal post of yours? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #26
Oh just admit - he's has no plan MaggieD May 2015 #32
Are you serious? A Little Weird May 2015 #136
He's been pretty clear - all over the news MaggieD May 2015 #142
Surely you could just link to Obama's plan or explain it? morningfog May 2015 #144
Apparently it's clear and highly available! AgingAmerican May 2015 #156
Really? A Little Weird May 2015 #171
You need to realize when you have been owned AgingAmerican May 2015 #155
Wrong question! ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #41
And these have helped how? leftofcool May 2015 #36
But we aren't electing a Senator, are we? BainsBane May 2015 #38
"What is his plan for protecting US jobs and dealing with tariff issues" was the question. NYC_SKP May 2015 #43
They provide a sense of his views, what he might like BainsBane May 2015 #49
Re Citizens United, he's sponsored more bills than any one to reform or repeal it. That's important. NYC_SKP May 2015 #83
Are they all bills? BainsBane May 2015 #186
Why is it my job to explain all of this? I listed 132 bills, and the status of each. Sheesh. NYC_SKP May 2015 #187
It's not your job BainsBane May 2015 #188
Check the link in my reply and seach by various sponsor, limited by bills passed. NYC_SKP May 2015 #189
Clinton was in the congress just a fraction of the time Sanders was BainsBane May 2015 #190
True shenmue May 2015 #7
He's been an outspoken champion of workers, worldwide, for years. NYC_SKP May 2015 #2
So what? So has HRC. So has Obama. MaggieD May 2015 #3
No she hasn't, she's been instrumental in driving down wages, she is an outsourcer of jobs. NYC_SKP May 2015 #5
Oh please - stop deflecting MaggieD May 2015 #6
"Hillary has advocated H1b visas for STEM jobs because we do not have enough qualified people here." brentspeak May 2015 #92
I had plans to take this seriously . . . . HughBeaumont May 2015 #162
Amazing video. Wilms May 2015 #9
But absent a solution MaggieD May 2015 #11
He has sponsored, by far, more worker friendly trade legislation than your candidate. NYC_SKP May 2015 #12
So why hasn't he articulated a plan? MaggieD May 2015 #14
No she hasn't. Clinton hasn't articulated so much as a dingleberry of a plan. NYC_SKP May 2015 #19
She has... MaggieD May 2015 #21
She has... she discusses it in her book MaggieD May 2015 #25
We have to buy her book to read her plan?? arcane1 May 2015 #89
Actually no MaggieD May 2015 #108
Looks like she dislikes the TPP too. That's all? arcane1 May 2015 #112
She has actual solutions MaggieD May 2015 #117
Solutions that you still have not provided. Your link certainly didn't have any. arcane1 May 2015 #130
I'm asking about Bernie's plan MaggieD May 2015 #139
And the post-count grows. arcane1 May 2015 #146
You're just in time. This one will (re) burn out in due time. morningfog May 2015 #149
Welcome to YOU MaggieD May 2015 #159
Exactly my point. arcane1 May 2015 #164
Why the new name? AgingAmerican May 2015 #170
It'll be interesting to see what he says about the possibility of limits on currency manipulation as Hoyt May 2015 #15
Nothing so far MaggieD May 2015 #17
:) Hoyt May 2015 #110
We live in a "global economy" in which concepts of democracy and sovereignty are quaint. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #16
So his pitch is.., MaggieD May 2015 #18
That's correct. Hillary as SOS was all about "statecrafting" to suit global industries, economies: NYC_SKP May 2015 #20
She lives in reality land MaggieD May 2015 #22
She lives in the land of the 1%, of fossil fuels and destruction of the earth. NYC_SKP May 2015 #23
Again, what is Bernie's plan? MaggieD May 2015 #28
Hmm kenfrequed May 2015 #39
Not signing trade deals is not a solution.... MaggieD May 2015 #42
False choice. kenfrequed May 2015 #52
No I'm not.... MaggieD May 2015 #54
Yes, it is a false choice. kenfrequed May 2015 #59
I'm against the treaty too MaggieD May 2015 #74
Hmm.. kenfrequed May 2015 #75
You are only missing the part the OP can't provide: morningfog May 2015 #86
Shouldn't it be easy... MaggieD May 2015 #114
You are making a bit of an error here. kenfrequed May 2015 #126
Being against something.... MaggieD May 2015 #127
Oh for the love of... kenfrequed May 2015 #131
It solves the problem better than a treaty that will lose american jobs whatchamacallit May 2015 #141
You've been given more good faith answers than you deserve. morningfog May 2015 #132
Exactly. kenfrequed May 2015 #140
That was fun to read U4ikLefty May 2015 #182
spot on. cali May 2015 #195
So you're against the thing whatchamacallit May 2015 #120
Isn't this the poster who said Sanders should support TPA since morningfog May 2015 #152
Nope. MaggieD May 2015 #160
I can see you are passionate about this issue, although you cannot quite articulate what the problem morningfog May 2015 #169
I am still waiting too.. kenfrequed May 2015 #177
What is anyones plan? AgingAmerican May 2015 #172
What would you do as President, MaggieD? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #24
I would try to bend the pact to the US advantage MaggieD May 2015 #30
It's apparent you'll try anything whatchamacallit May 2015 #27
So school me - what is Bernie's plan... MaggieD May 2015 #29
You've been provided with trade bills Bernie has sponsored whatchamacallit May 2015 #37
So true kenfrequed May 2015 #45
Exactly whatchamacallit May 2015 #47
But he still has not articulated a solution.... MaggieD May 2015 #48
Where to begin... whatchamacallit May 2015 #64
Obama and HRC MaggieD May 2015 #71
What are their proposals to "solve" this issue whatchamacallit May 2015 #76
FFS - really?? MaggieD May 2015 #79
Lol what a crappy dodge whatchamacallit May 2015 #80
MaggieD has, apparently, nothing but dodges. No facts, no links, just questions. NYC_SKP May 2015 #94
Yeah but what's his solution to entropy? whatchamacallit May 2015 #102
Must have felt the heat... NYC_SKP May 2015 #107
wow. even for you that's....... cali May 2015 #196
So he has no obligation to present a solution? MaggieD May 2015 #73
I don't know if there is a solution pre se whatchamacallit May 2015 #78
So why are you complaining? MaggieD May 2015 #82
How are they whatchamacallit May 2015 #85
How dare she ask Sanders supporters what his proposals are BainsBane May 2015 #33
Exactly MaggieD May 2015 #35
I can imagine BainsBane May 2015 #46
Watching it unfold cycle after cycle is frustrating MaggieD May 2015 #53
Sanders brings up far left issues like minimum raise and SS cap increase Backwoodsrider May 2015 #77
Meanwhile, back at the ranch... sheshe2 May 2015 #88
+1 Jamaal510 May 2015 #191
Hi Jamaal! sheshe2 May 2015 #192
. Jamaal510 May 2015 #193
that poster told me he's male cali May 2015 #197
Whether the poster is male or female BainsBane May 2015 #198
the hostiity clearly comes from frustration at having repeatedly cali May 2015 #199
Mayhap he's co-opted the Clinton angle: Not saying anything anybody might disagree with or question. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #31
Oh bullshit MaggieD May 2015 #34
I am skeptical of your questions kenfrequed May 2015 #40
With all due respect... MaggieD May 2015 #44
Elucidate the issue. kenfrequed May 2015 #50
"dealing with this reality" madfloridian May 2015 #51
Yeah, it's all Obama's fault MaggieD May 2015 #56
"reality adverse" oh my. madfloridian May 2015 #60
If you're in favor of a guy.... MaggieD May 2015 #63
Go to the Bernie group and read. It's all there. madfloridian May 2015 #67
No it isn't MaggieD May 2015 #72
You should collect your thoughts whatchamacallit May 2015 #116
Ah, you finally get it MaggieD May 2015 #121
How do you slam someone for not having version of a plan you don't like? whatchamacallit May 2015 #129
They're building up their post count with "Sanders has no plan" posts. That's their whole point. arcane1 May 2015 #143
What would be the purpose of that? MaggieD May 2015 #163
Your post count was reset? What was your previous sceen name? morningfog May 2015 #173
Crickets AgingAmerican May 2015 #176
"What is Bernie's plan to change the reality that we live in a global economy?" AgingAmerican May 2015 #175
Every human being on the planet "understands we live in a global economy" arcane1 May 2015 #55
So what is Bernie's plan to preserve jobs in the face of that? MaggieD May 2015 #57
We could answer you. It's simple. One man can't save us now, but he can start the conversation. madfloridian May 2015 #62
Anyone can start a conversation MaggieD May 2015 #65
Bob would do just fine. madfloridian May 2015 #68
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #70
This is getting silly. kenfrequed May 2015 #66
You don't understand the global economy and trade issues MaggieD May 2015 #69
I am not getting details on this from you. kenfrequed May 2015 #81
So i should go fetch for you? MaggieD May 2015 #84
I have told you why he is against it! kenfrequed May 2015 #91
That's not the question... MaggieD May 2015 #93
Really? kenfrequed May 2015 #101
Again stop deflecting MaggieD May 2015 #106
Asking for elaboration is not deflecting. kenfrequed May 2015 #115
Well, I see Maggie here asking questions... sheshe2 May 2015 #148
My mistake kenfrequed May 2015 #153
Okay~ snort.... sheshe2 May 2015 #165
Perfectly fine kenfrequed May 2015 #167
MaggieD. sheshe2 May 2015 #97
Thanks! MaggieD May 2015 #99
Well.. kenfrequed May 2015 #104
Or you aren't paying attention MaggieD May 2015 #111
Uhm...huh? kenfrequed May 2015 #119
I'm following it just fine MaggieD May 2015 #128
Oh my gods! kenfrequed May 2015 #135
Lol~ You> sheshe2 May 2015 #138
True... kenfrequed May 2015 #147
Lol~ sheshe2 May 2015 #150
Last time I checked, he's putting forth his specific plans in a week or two. arcane1 May 2015 #87
What I am skeptical of ... Trajan May 2015 #58
I'm a realist, not a republican MaggieD May 2015 #61
You must understand that on DU redstateblues May 2015 #98
I'm just about that action, boss MaggieD May 2015 #166
Someone alerted, will post results. ucrdem May 2015 #184
.. Cha May 2015 #194
you know you COULD G_j May 2015 #90
He proposes no solutions MaggieD May 2015 #96
MaggieD, doesn't look like you are going to get Bernie's plan, lots of deflections but Thinkingabout May 2015 #109
so you want him to write his own TPP? G_j May 2015 #113
The question is what is Bernie's plan on global economy and trade. Maybe Bernie has a better plan Thinkingabout May 2015 #123
Progressive Caucus Releases Trade Principles that Put Workers First in Trade Agreements Jefferson23 May 2015 #95
Exactly. moondust May 2015 #100
Every Dem agrees with that MaggieD May 2015 #103
How many Senators are listed? You received a response you were not prepared for, that is not Jefferson23 May 2015 #105
"But that's just a bitch, not a plan". You are calling adding worker protections "bitching"? think May 2015 #124
Every Dem agrees with that MaggieD May 2015 #134
Why aren't those Dems on the list demanding those concerns be addressed NOW? think May 2015 #154
I got it from a link from a Sanders supporter MaggieD May 2015 #157
I know that. Do you even read before you post? Yikes..... think May 2015 #161
Psst. Hillary's website right now has NO issues. morningfog May 2015 #158
What a bunch of weak assumptions in this thread. Ron Green May 2015 #118
Here is Bernie's 12 point plan for the economy Bjorn Against May 2015 #122
So getting rid of trade agreements.... MaggieD May 2015 #125
So what is your plan for making the problem of having to compete in the global economy go away? Bjorn Against May 2015 #133
I'm not running MaggieD May 2015 #137
Please link to their plan to make the problem go away Bjorn Against May 2015 #151
All over the news re: Obama MaggieD May 2015 #168
Let us examine your claim that you "adore Warren": brentspeak May 2015 #145
OMG! NYC_SKP May 2015 #181
Explain to me how global economy and trade is going to deliver living wages here. L0oniX May 2015 #174
Do you think a president only has to deal with issues which they think are important? Thinkingabout May 2015 #178
Too big and too busy to give a shit about the little people? Tell me who's country is this again? L0oniX May 2015 #179
I did not say that so you have to wear that comment. I said there is more responsibilities on the Thinkingabout May 2015 #180
It won't but it's necessary. joshcryer May 2015 #183
Our economy is what is going to take a hit. L0oniX May 2015 #185
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