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kenfrequed

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81. I am not getting details on this from you.

Wed May 13, 2015, 09:35 PM

May 2015

You still haven't expressed this outside of Friedmanesque generalizations about global trade and now you seem to imply that I don't understand the issues. If you do understand them then by all means express them and enlighten me as to what the TPP is intended to accomplish. I actually am fairly educated and modestly intelligent. I do follow the news and am decently well read in foreign and domestic affairs.

There is not a part of this treaty that provides any protections or assurances to labor, the environment, or domestic regulation outside of the scope of protecting patents for the ubber rich. I hardly think that assuring the patent profits of Pfizer is worth flushing the economic stability of the average American worker further down the drain.

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Question for Bernie on global economy and trade [View all] MaggieD May 2015 OP

That is a good question. leftofcool May 2015 #1

FFS. How about sponsoring bills before congress. Have a look here, just a few recent 2015 bills: NYC_SKP May 2015 #4

None of that has anything to do with trade MaggieD May 2015 #8

OK, Here are 132 Trade Bills sponsored or cosponsored by Sanders: NYC_SKP May 2015 #10

So how has any of that helped? MaggieD May 2015 #13

Is that a turbocharged V-6 or a supercharged V-8 in that goal post of yours? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #26

Oh just admit - he's has no plan MaggieD May 2015 #32

Are you serious? A Little Weird May 2015 #136

He's been pretty clear - all over the news MaggieD May 2015 #142

Surely you could just link to Obama's plan or explain it? morningfog May 2015 #144

Apparently it's clear and highly available! AgingAmerican May 2015 #156

Really? A Little Weird May 2015 #171

You need to realize when you have been owned AgingAmerican May 2015 #155

Wrong question! ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #41

And these have helped how? leftofcool May 2015 #36

But we aren't electing a Senator, are we? BainsBane May 2015 #38

"What is his plan for protecting US jobs and dealing with tariff issues" was the question. NYC_SKP May 2015 #43

They provide a sense of his views, what he might like BainsBane May 2015 #49

Re Citizens United, he's sponsored more bills than any one to reform or repeal it. That's important. NYC_SKP May 2015 #83

Are they all bills? BainsBane May 2015 #186

Why is it my job to explain all of this? I listed 132 bills, and the status of each. Sheesh. NYC_SKP May 2015 #187

It's not your job BainsBane May 2015 #188

Check the link in my reply and seach by various sponsor, limited by bills passed. NYC_SKP May 2015 #189

Clinton was in the congress just a fraction of the time Sanders was BainsBane May 2015 #190

True shenmue May 2015 #7

He's been an outspoken champion of workers, worldwide, for years. NYC_SKP May 2015 #2

So what? So has HRC. So has Obama. MaggieD May 2015 #3

No she hasn't, she's been instrumental in driving down wages, she is an outsourcer of jobs. NYC_SKP May 2015 #5

Oh please - stop deflecting MaggieD May 2015 #6

"Hillary has advocated H1b visas for STEM jobs because we do not have enough qualified people here." brentspeak May 2015 #92

I had plans to take this seriously . . . . HughBeaumont May 2015 #162

Amazing video. Wilms May 2015 #9

But absent a solution MaggieD May 2015 #11

He has sponsored, by far, more worker friendly trade legislation than your candidate. NYC_SKP May 2015 #12

So why hasn't he articulated a plan? MaggieD May 2015 #14

No she hasn't. Clinton hasn't articulated so much as a dingleberry of a plan. NYC_SKP May 2015 #19

She has... MaggieD May 2015 #21

She has... she discusses it in her book MaggieD May 2015 #25

We have to buy her book to read her plan?? arcane1 May 2015 #89

Actually no MaggieD May 2015 #108

Looks like she dislikes the TPP too. That's all? arcane1 May 2015 #112

She has actual solutions MaggieD May 2015 #117

Solutions that you still have not provided. Your link certainly didn't have any. arcane1 May 2015 #130

I'm asking about Bernie's plan MaggieD May 2015 #139

And the post-count grows. arcane1 May 2015 #146

You're just in time. This one will (re) burn out in due time. morningfog May 2015 #149

Welcome to YOU MaggieD May 2015 #159

Exactly my point. arcane1 May 2015 #164

Why the new name? AgingAmerican May 2015 #170

It'll be interesting to see what he says about the possibility of limits on currency manipulation as Hoyt May 2015 #15

Nothing so far MaggieD May 2015 #17

:) Hoyt May 2015 #110

We live in a "global economy" in which concepts of democracy and sovereignty are quaint. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #16

So his pitch is.., MaggieD May 2015 #18

That's correct. Hillary as SOS was all about "statecrafting" to suit global industries, economies: NYC_SKP May 2015 #20

She lives in reality land MaggieD May 2015 #22

She lives in the land of the 1%, of fossil fuels and destruction of the earth. NYC_SKP May 2015 #23

Again, what is Bernie's plan? MaggieD May 2015 #28

Hmm kenfrequed May 2015 #39

Not signing trade deals is not a solution.... MaggieD May 2015 #42

False choice. kenfrequed May 2015 #52

No I'm not.... MaggieD May 2015 #54

Yes, it is a false choice. kenfrequed May 2015 #59

I'm against the treaty too MaggieD May 2015 #74

Hmm.. kenfrequed May 2015 #75

You are only missing the part the OP can't provide: morningfog May 2015 #86

Shouldn't it be easy... MaggieD May 2015 #114

You are making a bit of an error here. kenfrequed May 2015 #126

Being against something.... MaggieD May 2015 #127

Oh for the love of... kenfrequed May 2015 #131

It solves the problem better than a treaty that will lose american jobs whatchamacallit May 2015 #141

You've been given more good faith answers than you deserve. morningfog May 2015 #132

Exactly. kenfrequed May 2015 #140

That was fun to read U4ikLefty May 2015 #182

spot on. cali May 2015 #195

So you're against the thing whatchamacallit May 2015 #120

Isn't this the poster who said Sanders should support TPA since morningfog May 2015 #152

Nope. MaggieD May 2015 #160

I can see you are passionate about this issue, although you cannot quite articulate what the problem morningfog May 2015 #169

I am still waiting too.. kenfrequed May 2015 #177

What is anyones plan? AgingAmerican May 2015 #172

What would you do as President, MaggieD? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #24

I would try to bend the pact to the US advantage MaggieD May 2015 #30

It's apparent you'll try anything whatchamacallit May 2015 #27

So school me - what is Bernie's plan... MaggieD May 2015 #29

You've been provided with trade bills Bernie has sponsored whatchamacallit May 2015 #37

So true kenfrequed May 2015 #45

Exactly whatchamacallit May 2015 #47

But he still has not articulated a solution.... MaggieD May 2015 #48

Where to begin... whatchamacallit May 2015 #64

Obama and HRC MaggieD May 2015 #71

What are their proposals to "solve" this issue whatchamacallit May 2015 #76

FFS - really?? MaggieD May 2015 #79

Lol what a crappy dodge whatchamacallit May 2015 #80

MaggieD has, apparently, nothing but dodges. No facts, no links, just questions. NYC_SKP May 2015 #94

Yeah but what's his solution to entropy? whatchamacallit May 2015 #102

Must have felt the heat... NYC_SKP May 2015 #107

wow. even for you that's....... cali May 2015 #196

So he has no obligation to present a solution? MaggieD May 2015 #73

I don't know if there is a solution pre se whatchamacallit May 2015 #78

So why are you complaining? MaggieD May 2015 #82

How are they whatchamacallit May 2015 #85

How dare she ask Sanders supporters what his proposals are BainsBane May 2015 #33

Exactly MaggieD May 2015 #35

I can imagine BainsBane May 2015 #46

Watching it unfold cycle after cycle is frustrating MaggieD May 2015 #53

Sanders brings up far left issues like minimum raise and SS cap increase Backwoodsrider May 2015 #77

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... sheshe2 May 2015 #88

+1 Jamaal510 May 2015 #191

Hi Jamaal! sheshe2 May 2015 #192

. Jamaal510 May 2015 #193

that poster told me he's male cali May 2015 #197

Whether the poster is male or female BainsBane May 2015 #198

the hostiity clearly comes from frustration at having repeatedly cali May 2015 #199

Mayhap he's co-opted the Clinton angle: Not saying anything anybody might disagree with or question. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #31

Oh bullshit MaggieD May 2015 #34

I am skeptical of your questions kenfrequed May 2015 #40

With all due respect... MaggieD May 2015 #44

Elucidate the issue. kenfrequed May 2015 #50

"dealing with this reality" madfloridian May 2015 #51

Yeah, it's all Obama's fault MaggieD May 2015 #56

"reality adverse" oh my. madfloridian May 2015 #60

If you're in favor of a guy.... MaggieD May 2015 #63

Go to the Bernie group and read. It's all there. madfloridian May 2015 #67

No it isn't MaggieD May 2015 #72

You should collect your thoughts whatchamacallit May 2015 #116

Ah, you finally get it MaggieD May 2015 #121

How do you slam someone for not having version of a plan you don't like? whatchamacallit May 2015 #129

They're building up their post count with "Sanders has no plan" posts. That's their whole point. arcane1 May 2015 #143

What would be the purpose of that? MaggieD May 2015 #163

Your post count was reset? What was your previous sceen name? morningfog May 2015 #173

Crickets AgingAmerican May 2015 #176

"What is Bernie's plan to change the reality that we live in a global economy?" AgingAmerican May 2015 #175

Every human being on the planet "understands we live in a global economy" arcane1 May 2015 #55

So what is Bernie's plan to preserve jobs in the face of that? MaggieD May 2015 #57

We could answer you. It's simple. One man can't save us now, but he can start the conversation. madfloridian May 2015 #62

Anyone can start a conversation MaggieD May 2015 #65

Bob would do just fine. madfloridian May 2015 #68

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #70

This is getting silly. kenfrequed May 2015 #66

You don't understand the global economy and trade issues MaggieD May 2015 #69

I am not getting details on this from you. kenfrequed May 2015 #81

So i should go fetch for you? MaggieD May 2015 #84

I have told you why he is against it! kenfrequed May 2015 #91

That's not the question... MaggieD May 2015 #93

Really? kenfrequed May 2015 #101

Again stop deflecting MaggieD May 2015 #106

Asking for elaboration is not deflecting. kenfrequed May 2015 #115

Well, I see Maggie here asking questions... sheshe2 May 2015 #148

My mistake kenfrequed May 2015 #153

Okay~ snort.... sheshe2 May 2015 #165

Perfectly fine kenfrequed May 2015 #167

MaggieD. sheshe2 May 2015 #97

Thanks! MaggieD May 2015 #99

Well.. kenfrequed May 2015 #104

Or you aren't paying attention MaggieD May 2015 #111

Uhm...huh? kenfrequed May 2015 #119

I'm following it just fine MaggieD May 2015 #128

Oh my gods! kenfrequed May 2015 #135

Lol~ You> sheshe2 May 2015 #138

True... kenfrequed May 2015 #147

Lol~ sheshe2 May 2015 #150

Last time I checked, he's putting forth his specific plans in a week or two. arcane1 May 2015 #87

What I am skeptical of ... Trajan May 2015 #58

I'm a realist, not a republican MaggieD May 2015 #61

You must understand that on DU redstateblues May 2015 #98

I'm just about that action, boss MaggieD May 2015 #166

Someone alerted, will post results. ucrdem May 2015 #184

.. Cha May 2015 #194

you know you COULD G_j May 2015 #90

He proposes no solutions MaggieD May 2015 #96

MaggieD, doesn't look like you are going to get Bernie's plan, lots of deflections but Thinkingabout May 2015 #109

so you want him to write his own TPP? G_j May 2015 #113

The question is what is Bernie's plan on global economy and trade. Maybe Bernie has a better plan Thinkingabout May 2015 #123

Progressive Caucus Releases Trade Principles that Put Workers First in Trade Agreements Jefferson23 May 2015 #95

Exactly. moondust May 2015 #100

Every Dem agrees with that MaggieD May 2015 #103

How many Senators are listed? You received a response you were not prepared for, that is not Jefferson23 May 2015 #105

"But that's just a bitch, not a plan". You are calling adding worker protections "bitching"? think May 2015 #124

Every Dem agrees with that MaggieD May 2015 #134

Why aren't those Dems on the list demanding those concerns be addressed NOW? think May 2015 #154

I got it from a link from a Sanders supporter MaggieD May 2015 #157

I know that. Do you even read before you post? Yikes..... think May 2015 #161

Psst. Hillary's website right now has NO issues. morningfog May 2015 #158

What a bunch of weak assumptions in this thread. Ron Green May 2015 #118

Here is Bernie's 12 point plan for the economy Bjorn Against May 2015 #122

So getting rid of trade agreements.... MaggieD May 2015 #125

So what is your plan for making the problem of having to compete in the global economy go away? Bjorn Against May 2015 #133

I'm not running MaggieD May 2015 #137

Please link to their plan to make the problem go away Bjorn Against May 2015 #151

All over the news re: Obama MaggieD May 2015 #168

Let us examine your claim that you "adore Warren": brentspeak May 2015 #145

OMG! NYC_SKP May 2015 #181

Explain to me how global economy and trade is going to deliver living wages here. L0oniX May 2015 #174

Do you think a president only has to deal with issues which they think are important? Thinkingabout May 2015 #178

Too big and too busy to give a shit about the little people? Tell me who's country is this again? L0oniX May 2015 #179

I did not say that so you have to wear that comment. I said there is more responsibilities on the Thinkingabout May 2015 #180

It won't but it's necessary. joshcryer May 2015 #183

Our economy is what is going to take a hit. L0oniX May 2015 #185