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jeff47

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59. Ah yes, that bullshit. It's not in the TPP.
Thu May 14, 2015, 12:30 PM
May 2015

In fact, it's supposed to be what derailed "fast track". Yet it is not in the new "fast track" legislation. Instead there's a separate bill for it, which will fail to pass the Senate.

Also, limiting the power of China while building markets in Vietnam and some other countries are other pluses.

There is nothing in the TPP that limits the power of China. In fact, the TPP allows US corporations to boost the power of China in Vietnam - The TPP makes it easier for US capital to build a factory in Vietnam to sell goods to China.

Overall, it is better for the global economy, and thus the economy of the US, if the economies of poorer countries are expanded into new markets.

Again, there are already no significant trade barriers to the economies in the TPP. We already have free trade agreements with 80% of the "GDP" covered by the the TPP.

About 12% of the remaining is Japan, which has a whopping 1.2% tariff on US goods. If you want to claim 1.2% is crippling trade, you're going to have to explain how sales taxes aren't crippling the economy within the US.

That leaves 8% over the remaining 8 countries. Or 1% of the total GDP per country. Numbers that small are not going to do shit for US exports. "We exported 5,000 widgets to South Korea, but now we can export an additional 3!!"

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And we will be better off in the long term with it than without it. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #45
Why? We already have free trade agreements with most of the countries in the TPP. jeff47 May 2015 #47
Ending currency manipulation is one plus. MohRokTah May 2015 #49
Ah yes, that bullshit. It's not in the TPP. jeff47 May 2015 #59
How do you know? MohRokTah May 2015 #67
Because I wasn't unconscious yesterday. jeff47 May 2015 #69
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