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In reply to the discussion: Krugman: The Iraq invasion was worse than a mistake. It was a crime. [View all]OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)28. The SCOTUS opened the door to autocratization.
Democratization and the Danger of War Author(s): Edward D. Mansfield and Jack Snyder Reviewed work(s):Source: International Security, Vol. 20, No. 1 (Summer, 1995), pp. 5-38
{W}e argue that threatened elites from the collapsing autocratic regime, many of whom have parochial interests in war and empire, use nationalist appeals to compete for mass allies with each other and with new elites. In these circumstances, the likelihood of war increases due to the interests of some of the elite groups, the effectiveness of their propaganda, and the incentive for weak leaders to resort to prestige strategies in foreign affairs in an attempt to enhance their authority over diverse constituencies. Further, we speculate that transitional regimes, including both democratizing and autocratizing states, share some common institutional weaknesses that make war more likely. At least in some cases, the link between autocratization and war reflects the success of a ruling elite in using nationalist formulas developed during the period of democratization to cloak itself in populist legitimacy, while dismantling the substance of democracy
~snip~
{P}ublic opinion often starts off highly averse to war. Rather, elites exploit their power in the imperfect institutions of partial democracies to create faits accomplish, control political agendas, and shape the content of information media in ways that promote belligerent pressure-group lobbies or upwellings of militancy in the populace as a whole.
Once this ideological connection between militant elites and their mass constituents is forged, the state may jettison electoral democracy while retaining nationalistic, populist rhetoric.
~snip~
it is striking that many of the groups with an interest in retarding democratization are also those with a parochial interest in war, military preparation, empire, and protectionism. This is not accidental. Most of the benefits of war, military preparations, imperial conquest, and protectionism-e.g., in career advancement or in protection from foreign economic competition-are disproportionately concentrated in specific groups.41 Any special interest group, including the military, that derives parochial benefits from a public policy has to feel wary about opening up its affairs to the scrutiny and veto of the average voter, who pays for subsidies to special interests. Whenever the costs of a program are distributed widely, but the benefits are concentrated in a few hands, democratization may put the program at risk.
{W}e argue that threatened elites from the collapsing autocratic regime, many of whom have parochial interests in war and empire, use nationalist appeals to compete for mass allies with each other and with new elites. In these circumstances, the likelihood of war increases due to the interests of some of the elite groups, the effectiveness of their propaganda, and the incentive for weak leaders to resort to prestige strategies in foreign affairs in an attempt to enhance their authority over diverse constituencies. Further, we speculate that transitional regimes, including both democratizing and autocratizing states, share some common institutional weaknesses that make war more likely. At least in some cases, the link between autocratization and war reflects the success of a ruling elite in using nationalist formulas developed during the period of democratization to cloak itself in populist legitimacy, while dismantling the substance of democracy
~snip~
{P}ublic opinion often starts off highly averse to war. Rather, elites exploit their power in the imperfect institutions of partial democracies to create faits accomplish, control political agendas, and shape the content of information media in ways that promote belligerent pressure-group lobbies or upwellings of militancy in the populace as a whole.
Once this ideological connection between militant elites and their mass constituents is forged, the state may jettison electoral democracy while retaining nationalistic, populist rhetoric.
~snip~
it is striking that many of the groups with an interest in retarding democratization are also those with a parochial interest in war, military preparation, empire, and protectionism. This is not accidental. Most of the benefits of war, military preparations, imperial conquest, and protectionism-e.g., in career advancement or in protection from foreign economic competition-are disproportionately concentrated in specific groups.41 Any special interest group, including the military, that derives parochial benefits from a public policy has to feel wary about opening up its affairs to the scrutiny and veto of the average voter, who pays for subsidies to special interests. Whenever the costs of a program are distributed widely, but the benefits are concentrated in a few hands, democratization may put the program at risk.
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It is high time we had a frank discussion regarding the Iraq war and it's deleterious effects
think
May 2015
#1
'How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish' (from a foreign paper, of course)
seafan
May 2015
#73
I think that Dan Rather was waylaid and lost his job because of his interview with Saddam
JDPriestly
May 2015
#60
True, and our elected leaders KNEW info was false even if citizens did not.
TheNutcracker
May 2015
#63
“If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts.” -Geor
Dont call me Shirley
May 2015
#99
When injustice gets really bad in the US, someone comes along, someone who is not expected.
JDPriestly
May 2015
#103
Also criminal was the way the "free" press negligently and willfully gave up it's constitutionally
Fred Sanders
May 2015
#6
ISIS sure is fucking Wolf Blitzer's and CNN's wet dream come true. American TV TerrorVision needs ISIS.
Fred Sanders
May 2015
#17
I get what you mean, but not really. Fear of Iran and N.K. and "Muslims" is pre-bottled, for example.
Fred Sanders
May 2015
#26
**The fraudulence of the case for war was actually obvious even at the time**
Martin Eden
May 2015
#19
I will NEVER forget David Gregory plaintively mewling in 2008, "Where was public opinion?"
seafan
May 2015
#72
"Us?" It is one of the major reasons that I do not support and will not vote for Hillary.
JDPriestly
May 2015
#65
Ray McGovern picks apart the "Bad Intel" Defense on Iraq. LIES we were fed, so Bush could invade.
seafan
May 2015
#75
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz all should be prosecuted for war crimes.
yellowcanine
May 2015
#34
it's a shame that the executive branch doesn't have a DEPARTMENT to administer JUSTICE
Doctor_J
May 2015
#35
The one in the middle needs to be sitting alongside his VP, Dick Cheney, in the dock
Cleita
May 2015
#37
At least Pres Obama could have done is to condemn the war that killed a million of innocent
rhett o rick
May 2015
#85
And, many politicians are lining up to make the Good German defense. "We didn't know."
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2015
#52
Please note that the pipelines have remained intact throughout wartimes since 1915 or so.
DhhD
May 2015
#102
It isn't a crime until someone gets indicted for it. And who will order that? Obama? Hillary? Jeb?
leveymg
May 2015
#56
Now, Rubio is running on 'A New American Century'....dropping the 'project' word
TheNutcracker
May 2015
#62
Yes, and millions of us knew it. It's simply not plausible that those who voted for this war ...
Scuba
May 2015
#89
Falsifying intelligence to start a war is a war crime under International Law.
1Greensix
May 2015
#108