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djean111

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64. And - my 20 YO grandson has just told me he would rather vote for Bernie than for Hillary,

Tue May 19, 2015, 02:12 PM

May 2015

because he feels Bernie can really effect change, and Hillary is more of the same.

He will be voting for Bernie in the primary. Grandson is very active on Reddit, and says Bernie is pretty popular there.

So we can trade anecdotal stuff all day. At this point, during the primary season, I cannot imagine this stuff will sway even one single person. The biggest challenge, IMO, will be to GOTV if Hillary wins the nomination. To start trying to do a "everybody else loves Hillary, so you should too", without a detailed conversation (HRC loves conversations, right?) is kinda premature. Especially here, where so many of us look at, you know, policies'n'stuff. Boring to some, I guess. Almost looks like the initial "Hillary's got it in the bag, so why waste time on policies and platform?" push is still being attempted.

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My 22 year old son on Bernie versus HRC [View all] MaggieD May 2015 OP

Ageism and sexism is alive and well. morningfog May 2015 #1

Actually not in this case.... MaggieD May 2015 #6

"Your son" is disingenuous. Being bothered by the lecturing grandpa voice is ageist. morningfog May 2015 #14

. MohRokTah May 2015 #19

What do the scare quotes around "your son" imply? That you don't believe the poster has a son? MADem May 2015 #57

Thank you! MaggieD May 2015 #63

I prefer straightforward conversation. I think that snark, insinuation or snideness MADem May 2015 #75

Me too MaggieD May 2015 #79

I would honestly prefer Chaffee to Webb, if I were forced to choose between either. MADem May 2015 #89

So sorry, Paka May 2015 #139

I thought it was appropriate for this discussion madokie May 2015 #155

"Hit piece?" I think you're doing the very same thing with your 'scare quotes.' MADem May 2015 #157

Yes, hit piece madokie May 2015 #158

We part ways here, and must agree to disagree. nt MADem May 2015 #160

Peace madokie May 2015 #162

I don't believe anything form this poster. They post flame bait day in day out. morningfog May 2015 #92

Another day, another vague OP telling us to disregard Sanders arcane1 May 2015 #113

I noticed that a while ago Aerows May 2015 #150

lol Bobbie Jo May 2015 #58

No, I asked him about that.... MaggieD May 2015 #62

Oh, I see a lot of ageism here at DU and in real life lovemydog May 2015 #43

When all you can find to criticize a candidate is their appearance or grandpa voice, then Cleita May 2015 #2

He wasn't critcizing him at all MaggieD May 2015 #4

Sorry, but that is a criticism. You can't turn it into an I love Bernie meme. Cleita May 2015 #5

Well not genuflecting to Bernie is considered.... MaggieD May 2015 #7

Blaming the messenger doesn't accomplish anything... brooklynite May 2015 #22

Look, it's not a "criticism" if it is the truth. Both HRC and BS are above "optimal" age for some MADem May 2015 #99

They should be criticized on their policies if you disagree with them Cleita May 2015 #105

And you seriously expect everyone to ignore elephants in the room because you deem them MADem May 2015 #122

So you admit that propaganda works like the wool Raygun pulled over the eyes Cleita May 2015 #131

What do you mean, "admit?" I've given you EXAMPLES. Facts are not "admissions." MADem May 2015 #137

Apparently, people (here) don't do the same reality as others ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #15

POTUS didn't begin with Barack Obama; there have been 40+ US Presidents before him. appalachiablue May 2015 #67

In an ideal world that would be wonderful, but procon May 2015 #70

Well, if that's the case, I can honestly say I like Bernie's Cleita May 2015 #71

True - look at the Nixon - Kennedy contest csziggy May 2015 #98

Our politicians are far too image-conscious these days Sobax May 2015 #78

Well...isn't it time to learn from the past to not do this anymore? Cleita May 2015 #85

I hope so Sobax May 2015 #86

"Learning from the past" isn't quite as American as apple pie. arcane1 May 2015 #93

Yes. The WORLD is that way. Men and women are expected to conform to impossible standards MADem May 2015 #133

Tuning out of adults is typical of kids who think they now know it all. TheNutcracker May 2015 #3

All kids think they know it all MaggieD May 2015 #12

Sorry, but hopes and dreams fell through. F4lconF16 May 2015 #27

Okay, well you are welcome to your point of view MaggieD May 2015 #41

So have any of the supporters here. F4lconF16 May 2015 #46

Thanks... MaggieD May 2015 #65

He has to tell you whats wrong Go Vols May 2015 #52

In my experience I often find older people who think they know it all. lovemydog May 2015 #32

Great story. Reads like a Publishers Weekly synopsis. n/t brentspeak May 2015 #8

Of course that's his take Autumn May 2015 #9

I really love the young people in this country who care. NCTraveler May 2015 #10

I don't believe these anti-Bernie threads are productive DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #11

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #18

I wonder if both sides are aware how unpersuasive they are... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #26

I suspect you are correct ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #29

Truth. procon May 2015 #72

No actually I am sure they probably don't care. Puglover May 2015 #146

Gotta agree. cwydro May 2015 #24

I agree that both sides could stop spitting venom at each other deutsey May 2015 #37

It's hardly an attack MaggieD May 2015 #45

Bernie is what he is... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #51

+1 Agschmid May 2015 #55

+1000000 one_voice May 2015 #95

I just asked a 30 something coworker what he thought of Bernie, hadnt heard of him randys1 May 2015 #13

My 17 year old Granddaughter and her friends think Bernie is just the best ever. Autumn May 2015 #23

They have politically active family members, I bet. Most really dont, this person I talked randys1 May 2015 #25

To me, it was an important part of raising him MaggieD May 2015 #83

Cool story Sis! cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #16

Awfully convenient too n/t arcane1 May 2015 #42

It's not a sis it's a bro. Autumn May 2015 #44

Is that a personal attack on me? MaggieD May 2015 #47

No. You had told another poster you were a man. I've called you dude and you Autumn May 2015 #50

I did no such thing MaggieD May 2015 #54

No I don't. I called you a she and someone corrected me and told me you were a man. Autumn May 2015 #60

Yes, obviously - thanks MaggieD May 2015 #61

I think he's very much wrong about that. F4lconF16 May 2015 #17

That's interesting - thanks MaggieD May 2015 #31

This is a good point. F4lconF16 May 2015 #48

several senators, two governors, and a boatload of congress people. He got a standing ovation. NYC_SKP May 2015 #20

I'm just telling you his take... MaggieD May 2015 #28

At this point I enjoy these kinds of personal anecdotes lovemydog May 2015 #21

Smart son. I like a bunch of Sanders' views, but believe he is just hurting the party since he Hoyt May 2015 #30

I'm SHOCKED to find you... catnhatnh May 2015 #82

The same thing was said about Obama AgingAmerican May 2015 #91

SUBTEXT: Bernie is fucking it up for Hillary.. frylock May 2015 #149

SUBTEXT (alternative): Bernie is serving as stalking horse for Hillary. MADem May 2015 #159

Isn't this more fredamae May 2015 #33

Maybe, but.... MaggieD May 2015 #77

The concept isn't new fredamae May 2015 #102

Kennedy is a good point.... MaggieD May 2015 #104

The media fredamae May 2015 #134

You're lying right now. eloydude May 2015 #34

You make assumptions... MaggieD May 2015 #53

That's just rude and one_voice May 2015 #88

I think his friends may find out the hard way that "Pretty words are not always pretty actions" BlueJazz May 2015 #35

He's pretty realistic about politicians MaggieD May 2015 #109

So, in essence, people on our side are just as ... ananda May 2015 #36

And the first time someone comments on HRC's voice... bunnies May 2015 #38

Nah - not from me MaggieD May 2015 #68

I think she should have to give her opinion on some of Bills politics... bunnies May 2015 #80

An anecdotal anecdote... kentuck May 2015 #39

Clinton is almost the same age, but isn't thought of as a grandmother to this kid. arcane1 May 2015 #40

I actually brought that up.... MaggieD May 2015 #59

He must've missed this then.. frylock May 2015 #151

Your son sounds a lot like my college students! Sancho May 2015 #49

Personally... Oilwellian May 2015 #56

And - my 20 YO grandson has just told me he would rather vote for Bernie than for Hillary, djean111 May 2015 #64

Interesting - thanks MaggieD May 2015 #66

Bernie has a Reddit AMA today at 4. I think that will give me an idea of how Redditors, at least, djean111 May 2015 #73

That's cool - I will check it out MaggieD May 2015 #76

Soo... kenfrequed May 2015 #69

The thread is not an effort to persuade anyone... MaggieD May 2015 #74

So this thread is somehow different than all of your other attack threads? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #112

This thread is trying out the "Some say..." approach arcane1 May 2015 #118

LMAO! Sorry, I don't adore ANY politician MaggieD May 2015 #119

That you think you've presented something that bears "getting over" is telling. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #128

Thanks for your opinion MaggieD May 2015 #129

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #156

That is disingenuous. kenfrequed May 2015 #121

No, it is not MaggieD May 2015 #125

hmpph kenfrequed May 2015 #130

lol. cool story, sis cali May 2015 #81

Maybe your son has been brainwashed by you? MaggieD May 2015 #84

You only bash liberals on DU? morningfog May 2015 #94

She has said she was for the Vietnam war because she hated liberals AgingAmerican May 2015 #100

I said no such thing MaggieD May 2015 #103

Yes I do have a link to that AgingAmerican May 2015 #108

So, how does that translate into.... MaggieD May 2015 #110

It's all in the sub thread AgingAmerican May 2015 #111

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #116

Got a link to that? MaggieD May 2015 #101

Here's one: morningfog May 2015 #107

How is that bashing Bernie? MaggieD May 2015 #114

For fuck's sake. I responded to this: morningfog May 2015 #123

I don't consider people who attack Dems to be "liberals" MaggieD May 2015 #126

lmao... where to even... begin... /nt Marr May 2015 #147

not that guy. unbrainwashable cali May 2015 #127

That's been my experience with younger people as well. Marr May 2015 #143

Cool story maam... AgingAmerican May 2015 #87

It's Sir Autumn May 2015 #164

Interesting story, and thanks for posting. SheilaT May 2015 #90

When I went to the caucuses in 2008 MaggieD May 2015 #96

The caucuses that year in Kansas also had lots of young people. SheilaT May 2015 #117

Well good thing the young people over on Reddit don't feel the same way. octoberlib May 2015 #97

That's great! MaggieD May 2015 #106

Cool story, bro. TBF May 2015 #115

Not a bro.... MaggieD May 2015 #120

. eloydude May 2015 #124

Bernie can look grim on camera BeyondGeography May 2015 #132

Oh? Like Mrs. Clinton's voice is less grating? RoccoR5955 May 2015 #135

"He said Bernie�s voice is grating". Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #136

"... he sounds like he is grandpa lecturing at you..." < Oh, right, you are millenials, want to jtuck004 May 2015 #138

Your son is wise beyond his years randr May 2015 #140

None of the young people I know would agree with your son. RedCappedBandit May 2015 #141

I've heard the opposite from people that age. So there goes your anecdote. /nt Marr May 2015 #142

This is interesting to me because 'grating voice' is a frequent nasty criticism of Hillary as well. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #144

I can understand, and I am sorry for some of the attacks. To clarify, my take on this: Xyzse May 2015 #145

This really sounds like like the old "book and cover" problem to me rock May 2015 #148

Hillary doesn't need to work on " CHARISMA " Bernie could orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #152

With all due respect. madokie May 2015 #153

I don't see ageism in the OP. thesquanderer May 2015 #154

Oh the melodious wafting tones of Hilary JEB May 2015 #161

My 22 year old cilla4progress May 2015 #163

Cool story ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #165