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161. ACA? No fucking way. Costs unchecked, 10s of millions took pay cut in terms of higher premiums

Tue May 19, 2015, 11:56 PM

May 2015

to pay for it. Including me. Why should I have to bear the costs of that program while once again the rich bear no sacrifice.

And fuck me for having a group plan. It's about the only benefit I have left after working 10-12 hrs a day, no pension plans, vacation becoming a thing of distant past since you'll get dinged, and jobs hemorrhaging to Asia.

Got relief with ACA? Great. many of us in middle class are paying for it with less pay while the rich walked away unscathed.

For my f-4 plan, on ACA $15,000 (w/o dental) as of a year ago. No idea what it is now.

So, that's what happened - he turned the middle class against itself while the rich are laughing their asses off.

Those numbers with ACA sound nice, but it won't be enough to stop the carnage if he doesn't stop sending jobs offshore.

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I�ve Read Obama�s Secret Trade Deal. Elizabeth Warren Is Right to Be Concerned. [View all] RiverLover May 2015 OP

Wessel should hit up Wikileaks. joshcryer May 2015 #1

K & R Koinos May 2015 #2

just read the entire piece. thanks so much for posting this. cali May 2015 #3

After 6+ years of Obama dishonesty, you should be accustomed to it by now Demeter May 2015 #6

this is different from any behavior he's exhibited in the past. cali May 2015 #9

He just better be sure he locks in a good retirement job, as his "legacy" is turning to SHIT now! cascadiance May 2015 #11

His legacy is shot MissDeeds May 2015 #22

Bullshit rtracey May 2015 #48

So you are telling me to go fuck myself because I may not agree with you? pangaia May 2015 #58

Maybe rtracey May 2015 #86

So you are MAYBE telling me to go fuck myself. pangaia May 2015 #88

Hmmmm rtracey May 2015 #110

"NOT MUCH OF A SUPPORTER" LondonReign2 May 2015 #119

psssh rtracey May 2015 #142

Right, because logically if you are against the TPP LondonReign2 May 2015 #167

Well you seem to only care about the ACA and stated as much in a previous post. cui bono May 2015 #144

well rtracey May 2015 #168

So you think I believe the RW smears? cui bono May 2015 #169

Maybe he's not a blind robot lark May 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author MissDeeds May 2015 #109

yes rtracey May 2015 #111

Forgot a few things... Thespian2 May 2015 #64

A legacy is just a silly word supporters use. Autumn May 2015 #69

Here! Here! Rockyj May 2015 #143

A-men!!! Thespian2 May 2015 #147

Health insurance is not the same thing as health care. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #85

You are giving him more credit than he deserves. He did little to advance marriage equality and rhett o rick May 2015 #146

ACA? No fucking way. Costs unchecked, 10s of millions took pay cut in terms of higher premiums whereisjustice May 2015 #161

+1 Sobax May 2015 #52

I don't think it is any more extreme than his letting Geithner, Bernanke and truedelphi May 2015 #148

Why dont you list his lies for all of us, I for one would be interested in that. randys1 May 2015 #102

you're actually comparing the right wing attack on the ACA cali May 2015 #130

So the lies are limited to TPP? He has lied about specifics in the TPP? randys1 May 2015 #131

You're welcome cali. I'm just so grateful Wessel has written this piece. RiverLover May 2015 #8

+1 daleanime May 2015 #18

The Clinton's have made $25 million in speaking engagements in the past 16 months alone. jalan48 May 2015 #108

The process has blown up in the President's face BeyondGeography May 2015 #4

Alas, I suspect it will get shoved through as is- or ground out cali May 2015 #5

He does have complexity on his side BeyondGeography May 2015 #33

you're right. this is not stuff that fires up most folks. cali May 2015 #38

If it gets pushed through, bvar22 May 2015 #97

I don't know about that. joshcryer May 2015 #7

of course the media isn't making a big fuss about it. Their parent companies cali May 2015 #10

And the SOPA / net neutrality style fight? joshcryer May 2015 #27

"But I can�t share my criticisms with you." ucrdem May 2015 #12

lol. care to comment on the actual charges that he makes? cali May 2015 #13

Basically he's complaining about the inconvenience involved in reviewing it. ucrdem May 2015 #16

Are you sure you read the article? sufrommich May 2015 #19

What he says is that he doesn't know: ucrdem May 2015 #21

Knows a hell of lot more than you brentspeak May 2015 #56

No, he says that he can't share what he knows green917 May 2015 #91

And how has KORUS turned out for the American working class? cadaverdog May 2015 #126

wow...you've really got nothing at all! NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #20

bwahahahaha. cute cherry picking, loco,er I mean ucrdem. Here, Just for you: cali May 2015 #24

It isn't "secret" just because he's too special to hie himself down to the basement ucrdem May 2015 #26

you're makig things up again. His article makes it quite clear that he has cali May 2015 #30

pathetic BlindTiresias May 2015 #39

What is your position green917 May 2015 #92

One of your dumber comments LondonReign2 May 2015 #120

No, that's not what he's complaining about. OrwellwasRight May 2015 #170

I don't know Wessel's access level. joshcryer May 2015 #29

wrong. what stuff we haven't seen before? do tell. cali May 2015 #32

+100 F4lconF16 May 2015 #125

Uh, it's classified. So he has SECRET or higher. jeff47 May 2015 #139

No problem. Let us share our criticisms of your insipid remark. eom whereisjustice May 2015 #162

. stonecutter357 May 2015 #14

Awesome, another content rich post! LondonReign2 May 2015 #121

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #15

How Is Hope And Change Working Out For All So Far cantbeserious May 2015 #17

Nice teabilly response BeyondGeography May 2015 #28

Shoot The Messenger - Typical Response When Facts Dispell Myth cantbeserious May 2015 #31

What message? No progressive goals have been achieved under Obama? BeyondGeography May 2015 #37

I've noticed the talking points aimed at anyone who opposes signing over Congress' right to sabrina 1 May 2015 #77

Poster rips Obama's presidency with a tired Sarah Palin line and you defend it BeyondGeography May 2015 #78

Double bingo. ucrdem May 2015 #80

I'm not interested in childish games when it comes to issues as serious as this. sabrina 1 May 2015 #81

If you read the thread, I criticize the President's approach to this deal up top BeyondGeography May 2015 #84

K&R! stonecutter357 May 2015 #145

Almost word for word from Sarah Palin at a Tea Party Convention. stevenleser May 2015 #60

Bingo. ucrdem May 2015 #68

Once Again - Shoot The Messenger - Despite The Fact That Truth Hurts cantbeserious May 2015 #90

An anemic argument LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #113

and congrats to you for desperately grabbing at that cali May 2015 #117

No desperation or grab involved. I was pulled into it by jury service. Nice try though. nt stevenleser May 2015 #132

Nice Sarah Palin quote there. What else ya got? nt Hekate May 2015 #152

The Truth Smarts - Does Not Change That The Truth Is Still The Truth cantbeserious May 2015 #155

OK, that's all you've got. Pretty lame... Hekate May 2015 #157

I Better Believe What? cantbeserious May 2015 #160

This is a VERY important article, by one of our most experienced trade experts, Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #23

+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #123

+2 Go Vols May 2015 #133

It's best for the health of the Democratic Party... 99Forever May 2015 #25

This statement only applies to Dems in the House. salib May 2015 #45

It applies to EVERY Democrat in office and seeking office. 99Forever May 2015 #49

I agree with your sentiment salib May 2015 #55

They may have "political cover" with idiots. 99Forever May 2015 #57

That won't work for me Punx May 2015 #105

all I'll say heaven05 May 2015 #34

and that is the crux of the problem marym625 May 2015 #41

Obama never had Progressive zentrum May 2015 #35

Yep. RiverLover May 2015 #76

K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #36

K&R! marym625 May 2015 #40

It isn't a dare Oilwellian May 2015 #65

I think both are true. n/t marym625 May 2015 #67

This is why I support Bernie Sanders kenfrequed May 2015 #42

He mentions Warren as bravely speaking out against, and Hillary as correctly identifying some items peacebird May 2015 #43

the Bernie Sanders challenge heaven05 May 2015 #50

I agree with you peacebird May 2015 #51

I am standing in the long line with you. CentralMass May 2015 #165

President Barack Obama said today that he would like to work with kids in the next phase of his life midnight May 2015 #44

what does this have to do with the topic in the op? Do you have a point? cali May 2015 #46

So TPP is not all about his cushy retirement? BeyondGeography May 2015 #54

Kids are going to need a lot of help JEB May 2015 #83

Yes they will Go Vols May 2015 #134

Why should the text of ANY trade deal be legally prohibited? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #47

Eleven Dimension Chess Kelvin Mace May 2015 #53

Oh, I got weak with THAT one! MrMickeysMom May 2015 #138

There's a difference between making public statements and making concerns known to the President. randome May 2015 #59

This is the crux of this trade give away turbinetree May 2015 #61

You do NOT have a right to micro-manage every treaty that is being considered. randome May 2015 #62

That's just it, we can all see it after fast track, but no changes can be made. RiverLover May 2015 #74

We can see it DURING Fast Track, not after. randome May 2015 #106

You are wrong and I respectfully disagree turbinetree May 2015 #98

But that's not how a democracy works. randome May 2015 #107

No more fast-track, period. n/t jomin41 May 2015 #63

Kill it! Kill it with fire! Stop The TPP!! AzDar May 2015 #66

BIG K&R!...Thanks RiverLover Segami May 2015 #70

... RiverLover May 2015 #73

My impression is that Obama is being BLACKMAILED. Kablooie May 2015 #71

Agree. Follow the money. Who is going to supply the millions that come from speeches libdem4life May 2015 #82

I wonder that too Populist_Prole May 2015 #89

He's definitely being leaned on in one way or another Sobax May 2015 #101

Yes. which tells us a LOT about how EVIL this "trade deal" really is. -nt- 99th_Monkey May 2015 #104

It's payback, not blackmail BrotherIvan May 2015 #127

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2015 #72

Now that she's a Democrat, this might be a good time for Senator Warren to read the party platform. ucrdem May 2015 #75

The results are in. At least the alerter is now getting a 24-hour vacation from alerting. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #94

Quite a dossier there. ucrdem May 2015 #151

Wow, just wow.... giftedgirl77 May 2015 #156

And when the huge, steaming pile of horse crap is dumped on the public, Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #79

Michael Wessel ignores Bernie Sanders' criticism of the TPP. JDPriestly May 2015 #87

JD, this isn't about the upcoming election. This is the frustration of one of Obama's advisers, who RiverLover May 2015 #100

He's an adviser to the President. Why would he suddenly become an adviser to the public? randome May 2015 #124

I think it's fairly obvious that he's incredibly RiverLover May 2015 #154

Michael Wessel fans? ismnotwasm May 2015 #93

Duty dpatbrown May 2015 #95

Tell that to Chelsey Manning & Edward Snowden. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #103

We need a law to OUTLAW SECRET LEGISLATION no one can read or talk about. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #99

There is no 'secret legislation'. randome May 2015 #112

Total BS 99th_Monkey May 2015 #116

Did you get to see the Iran treaty as it was being negotiated? randome May 2015 #118

Which basement room was the Iran Treaty locked away in again? 99th_Monkey May 2015 #122

VERY telling that the biggest, worst thing they can think of calling an opponent is "protectionist" MisterP May 2015 #114

+1 /nt RiverLover May 2015 #166

History And Obama colsohlibgal May 2015 #115

"really half black"??? ismnotwasm May 2015 #128

+1 Sobax May 2015 #141

Exactly which part are you +1? giftedgirl77 May 2015 #159

"Really half black president"? Well aren't you special.Back home we would have called him hapa-haole Hekate May 2015 #153

What a steaming pile of bullshit. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #158

... BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #129

The administration should have hired Michael Wessel, not Michael Froman. Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #135

And Joseph Stiglitz rather than Timothy Geithner. Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #137

corporations must not get any power. as seen on john oliver's show. pansypoo53219 May 2015 #136

Funny ,,,, he claims to have read it yet.... Cryptoad May 2015 #140

Huge K&R woo me with science May 2015 #149

This just gets better and better. n/t Change has come May 2015 #150

Obama and Mitch McConnell are opening the flood gates with TPP, jobs pouring into Asia without whereisjustice May 2015 #163

It's totally obvious that Wessel . . FairWinds May 2015 #164