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tblue37

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45. For some people, the instinctive competition for status and power that marks our species is
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

so unbalanced and uncontrolled that they cannot rein in their efforts to amass the markers for status and power--which in our world are wealth and social and political control.

But there were other very important reasons.

(1) One was the belief that the US, under the "leadership" (read dictatorial control) of the "right" people, would be able to take over a large part of the world's dwindling oil supply, thus cementing the power of thus country, controlled by THEM.

(2) Another was that they wanted to establish a puppet regime and use Iraq as a base for staging further operations in the region. Look at that *huge* "diplomatic" compound they built (though so badly that it can't be used).

(3) Yet another was to impose their version of the ideal economy--a cutthroat kleptocratic state in which they and their minions could exploit everyone and everything, with no check whatsoever on their actions.

The criminal inner circle are nothing but warlord wannabes, but they envisioned themselves as warlords of the whole world, not just of some defined territory in some part if the world.

The drive to create such kleptocratic, unregulated versions of capitalism on steroids is part if the current Republican Party's DNA, and though the Koch brothers might be the most powerful and influential of the billionaires and corporations directing and funding that effort, there are many others as well.

That effort to establish a state if unregulated economic exploitation of the many by the few continues even here in the US. That's why Brownback here in Kansas continues to follow the Koch playbook, even though the resulting economic devastation is so obvious that no one can doubt that he and his legislative minions have destroyed our economy. Walker and Scott have, as much as possible, followed the same playbook, though no other governor has had as clear a field as Brownback for implementing these programs, because all of the more reasonable "moderate" Republicans in the Kansas legislature (which always had a large Republican majority) were primaried out by extreme Teapublicans with overwhelming Koch backing. (I strongly believe, though, that elections are being rigged and stolen here in Kansas and all over the country.)

With such a huge Teapublican majority in the Kansas legislature, Brownback can implement any program the kleptocrats want.

That was also the case for a long time in Iraq. Iraq's political and military classes were swept away, to be replaced by ignorant, incompetent administrators and apparatchiks at all levels, people who were completely loyal to the extreme rightwing's social and economic ideology. Read Naomi Klein's book The Shock Doctrine. She explains the destructive version of capitalism that for these people is virtually a religion.

The criminal gang that pushed for the Iraq invasion and then handled everything in a way that made them even wealthier but that destroyed so much, killed so many, and created such a mess in the Mideast are the same people behind PNAC--The Project for the New American Century--the position paper that spelled out the plan that was followed in the CheneyBush years to invade Iraq and attempt to take complete control of its government and, most important, of its oil. Even before the invasion, Cheney had meetings in his office with oil companies to work out how they would divvy up the oil they assumed they'd appropriate as spoils if war.

These three factors are probably the main reasons driving the architects of the Iraq debacle.

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The Trials will really be something. Octafish May 2015 #1
The Intelligence Wasn't As Flawed As Now Claimed DallasNE May 2015 #7
Part of it is the language barrier... JHB May 2015 #26
Mislead? Misrepresented? They fucking lied. Thor_MN May 2015 #15
Yes, thank you for saying it. They lied. Funny how MSM won't say that word. YOHABLO May 2015 #17
BFEE put MSM on notice: ''The Dangerous Lie That 'Bush Lied''' Octafish May 2015 #29
Silberman's continued disservice to the USofA erronis May 2015 #47
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #75
From your pen to "god's" ears!! 7wo7rees May 2015 #21
The intelligence became flawed after they manipulated it. See "Dodgy Dossier." yellowcanine May 2015 #40
I wish that some foreign government would kidnap these bastards and try them for their crimes. olegramps May 2015 #42
I'm envisioning a special fundraising evening, aboard a private jet, for an elite group of neocons, Voice for Peace May 2015 #87
If only... G_j May 2015 #51
Maybe Obama will pardon the bastards so we can move forward. rhett o rick May 2015 #56
no. THEY USED 9/11 TO INVADE ON LIES FOR NEO-CON PIPE DREAMS. pansypoo53219 May 2015 #68
People Should Question Their Version Of 911 Too! billhicks76 May 2015 #73
Accessories To Murder billhicks76 May 2015 #74
Duh Iliyah May 2015 #2
Our country will never regain any moral standing JEB May 2015 #3
Thy say three strikes and your out,well Wellstone ruled May 2015 #4
War Criminals. AzDar May 2015 #5
MORELL: "Chris, Chris Chris, what's my job, right? My job—"... xocet May 2015 #6
Morrell also delivered the 08/06 briefing about 9/11 leveymg May 2015 #82
Thanks for bringing that up. I had forgotten about that. n/t xocet May 2015 #94
Not just to the public Major Nikon May 2015 #8
12 years later.... dead_head May 2015 #9
The Mideast is in flames and worse chaos is probably on the horizon. we need to tblue37 May 2015 #43
David Corn comes through again. grasswire May 2015 #10
They're in luck. Obama is busy looking forward. CharlotteVale May 2015 #11
You don't say, Mother Jones! sakabatou May 2015 #12
I believe Bush and Cheney are as evil as they come project_bluebook May 2015 #13
time to prosecute. hague? world court? hello? spanone May 2015 #14
LongListofLies.mp3 johnnyreb May 2015 #16
Bookmarked Duppers May 2015 #25
That tape needs to be played over all the air waves JEB May 2015 #44
Meanwhile they were protecting the actual 9/11 perpetrators. johnnyreb May 2015 #49
They did THIS: Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #18
Which is the most dangerous WMD, the CIA or the NSA? Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #19
PNAC. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #20
Like a bad boss once told me, ''Good answer!'' Octafish May 2015 #37
A lot of people don't know Jeb is one of the original members of PNAC.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #46
CHENEY! nt 7wo7rees May 2015 #23
a wax cherry reddread May 2015 #50
We knew THEN they were lying. Duppers May 2015 #22
February 15th 2003 7wo7rees May 2015 #24
The lies were picked apart one by one. alphafemale May 2015 #30
I'll ask again: why did they do it? Yorktown May 2015 #27
Do you know how much money Halliburton babylonsister May 2015 #28
Halliburton's spin off KBR made a $39.5 billion profit Botany May 2015 #31
Other people told me the same, but i can't get to believe it Yorktown May 2015 #36
For some people, the instinctive competition for status and power that marks our species is tblue37 May 2015 #45
Guess you've never met a real psychopath before... gregcrawford May 2015 #63
Randian hellscape is a good term. Enthusiast May 2015 #80
The price of oil soared also. Enthusiast May 2015 #79
As Pink Floyd once sang: deutsey May 2015 #35
the huge mistake made ever since, and with much help from the M$M reddread May 2015 #53
I'm afraid you are correct. Enthusiast May 2015 #81
That Morell is quite the little Eichmann, isn't he? Just making sure the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #32
K & R L0oniX May 2015 #33
Tweety was in his "I Hate Wars" mode, wasn't he? Paladin May 2015 #34
This needed to be widely held public knowledge BEFORE the invasion. Martin Eden May 2015 #38
Rumsfield, "We know where they [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad ..." yellowcanine May 2015 #39
They really believed the Iraq war would be short and sweet, and paid for by Iraq's oil. Nitram May 2015 #41
+1 All that oil sitting there hifiguy May 2015 #91
No surprise here.. but what's scary is mountain grammy May 2015 #48
Tweety cornered him yesterday malaise May 2015 #52
He sure did! babylonsister May 2015 #66
Excellent OP here sis malaise May 2015 #67
I can't even remember when I didn't know this sh*t NCcoast May 2015 #54
+1 Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #69
1000 kicks samsingh May 2015 #55
WE KNEW THEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW. rhett o rick May 2015 #57
WORST foreign policy decision in our history. nt 7962 May 2015 #58
Morell Broke His Oath . . FairWinds May 2015 #59
So you would prosecute the whistleblower? BillZBubb May 2015 #85
Release the 28 redacted pages of the 9/11 Commission report KansDem May 2015 #60
Ask the Saudis. hifiguy May 2015 #92
I hope no one has forgotten... freebrew May 2015 #61
It doesn't matter whether or not it is true... kentuck May 2015 #62
Treasonous Bastards Angry Dragon May 2015 #64
Yeah, pretty sure it is called TREASON. They should be held accountable. nt mother earth May 2015 #65
War Crimes Rafale May 2015 #70
You are absolutely correct. Enthusiast May 2015 #83
Nice will be the day when we, humanity, send these war criminals to the prisons they created, Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #71
It was treason. Not only did they lie us into a two trillion dollar war, Enthusiast May 2015 #72
Everyone should know that by now... kentuck May 2015 #76
I know people that are true believers. Enthusiast May 2015 #84
True. kentuck May 2015 #88
Treason. The word is treason. Not "misled." True Blue Door May 2015 #77
+1! Enthusiast May 2015 #90
familia tradition reddread May 2015 #96
They did all of this and still embraced by their party. SummerSnow May 2015 #78
The Iraq War sulphurdunn May 2015 #86
Lying sacks of shit, the lot of them. hifiguy May 2015 #89
On Treason Rafale May 2015 #93
But but but...PNAC and the BFEE...tee hee? Rex May 2015 #95
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