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In reply to the discussion: Self-driving trucks will be job-killers. [View all]JonLP24
(29,965 posts)105. That second paragraph is the multiplier effect in a nutshell
I've driven over a 18,000 miles on a Freightliner but I was often scared when there were cars around next to me, especially right by me. It felt like I could easily cause damage. Outside of around the block, a few miles the first time I had any real experience as in a long trip was the "Cascade Loop" though I didn't know that was what it was called -- just knew that was the chosen way to get Yakima and I the German town. Remember the Germany looking town very well so searching for that so here is from Seattle to the Germany looking town in 9 minutes
That, I didn't drive long at all. 5 minutes maybe, I was scared to death but it isn't hard. Turning doesn't take much to get the hang of, as soon as the center axle is clear of the object you can come in from the wide turn. Backing is a challenge, first drill I got in down perfect because I watched one of the trainers do it but he did it driving regular speed or fast cons so I did it the same way but at "do it again" it seemed I lost all sense of direction, I had no idea where my trailer was going -- long afternoon. Think trying to force it but I think it takes skill or maybe it is easier than it looks. Don't know the challenges too much driving long haul in the US, I remember my trainer sounding the engine brake near the German town even though signs were all-around he said it as if life or death you're going to use your engine brake. Later that year maintainence were complaining of the engines and said drivers were using the engine brake too much. I never used it but once when I was in the mountains (not in the US) and the air brake cords were cut so I was maintaining a longer following/stopping distance than normal -- this was my first time with over-the-wheel experience on my longest distance haul for me personally. Several months later same thing happened but on mostly flat hand and when I got there one of the driver trainers said I was officially a driver or whatever because that happen and got to the destination without wrecking or loosing my load but he didn't know I did the same thing, with pretty much no experience (outside of driven the vehicle which I was adjusted to) & challenging terrain (like Cascade Loop without the scenery though it was dark I couldn't see shit so don't know how the scenary looked). The other driver trainer got jealous or something there (the same one who was my trainer on the Cascade Loop
Hold on confusing there. The driver trainer with the praise was mine from Seattle to Yakima, who wisely took the wheel from me on that r9ute. From Yakima to the Germany town was the other guy didn't let me drive or one the way back which I don't have issues with -- just clarifying between the 2
OK -- the other driver started giving me a hard time because I was probably using the air brakes too much. The first time the were cut by the trailer during a turn -- the second time, can't remember what exactly but a leak or something the cause different but the brake problem the same. I know if civilian drivers, pretty sure there is mandatory downtime and all that sure but they worked us to death. I can't how many overall 24-hour days, I worked but I know I do not want to be driving tired in those things. Many will train you and Swift seemed really great but didn't want me after he wanted to look at my DD214 (all it says is "drug abuse" but mentioning THC and awhile ago relationship problems which were solved by not having a relationship he wasn't interested anymore) so bad when I probably would have been better off not mentioning my driving experience but ability to smoke weed every now and then was more of an interest at-the-time though now I hardly ever see it around anymore plus gives me a bad social phobia which didn't used to give me that before.
Anyway, I imagine a self-driving avoiding accident like those commercials where the car prevents the accident before the driver does? I can't imagine the logistics for that, probably need people to deliver their own jobs on a flatbed. "Nothing happens until something moves" - US Army Transportation Corps motto.
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It's a long, long way off in America. DOT can't even get electronic logs in all trucks.
In_The_Wind
May 2015
#15
The future is coming. I bet in 10 years there are self driving trucks working daily. nt
Logical
May 2015
#72
The trend is that any new jobs created need lots of skill or requires an advanced degree
AZ Progressive
May 2015
#4
Blacksmiths could become mechanics or body repairmen. Today, are they to retrain to be robots or
leveymg
May 2015
#52
In what world do you live in where drivers that are "drunk or high" is commonplace?
A HERETIC I AM
May 2015
#49
I've never known or heard of such drunk, high, irresponsible and sleep deprived truckers.
appalachiablue
May 2015
#58
Appreciate your raising the truth of what's rarely mentioned, that apart from the robotic
appalachiablue
May 2015
#22
That occurred to me too, like a caravan or convoy of trucks, train cars, tanks, horses with
appalachiablue
May 2015
#88
+1. So cruel the GOP won't let people get a little money before being displaced by bots-
appalachiablue
May 2015
#36
Just Like They Pay Some Farmers Not To Farm - Corporations Will Have To Pay.....
global1
May 2015
#10
so were horseless carriages......and telephones...and electricity....and computers......
bowens43
May 2015
#11
Oh, I agree, but I have no idea what to do about it. I'd be interested in hearing Krugman's ideas.
Adrahil
May 2015
#20
Productivity growth is down at the moment. It doesn't look like the robots are taking over anymore
Chathamization
May 2015
#60
+100. They don't ask and they don't care. Machine-Tech worship and fantasy isn't my art.
appalachiablue
May 2015
#25
Not only that, but they may only be economical (at first) for long-haul rides
Recursion
May 2015
#65
I can even predict the nostalgic op-eds about the kids who don't know about driving around aimlessly
Recursion
May 2015
#84
Lots of renewable energy plants are hiring. So is biotech. So are a lot of small farms
Recursion
May 2015
#66
They will. And Taxi's too. Used to have elevator operators too. Technology waits for no one. nt
Logical
May 2015
#74
You are short sighted on how technology advances. And landing a plane is much harder than driving. n
Logical
May 2015
#109
I always have questions for Doom and Gloom Disguised as Optimism threads such as this.
HughBeaumont
May 2015
#47
I didn't say they wouldn't be safe. My post WAS about driver error.
cherokeeprogressive
May 2015
#76
Humans can't anticipate either, we guess, and I would actually think that a computer...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#93
We make guesses, some are educated, many are not, but the point is that I don't...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#96
"Anticipation" is basically programming, be it in a human brain or a silicon one.
kentauros
May 2015
#108
This makes sense for first usage of autonomous trucks(and possibly cars), in environment where....
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#98
This is only the beginning, and I don't think the world economy is equipped to handle it at this...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#99
And the techies don't care because they look down the rest of society anyway
AZ Progressive
May 2015
#101
That's actually completely untrue, I am one of those techies, and we are talking about...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#103
It could be a golden opportunity rather than something to fear, but only if governments, culture...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#111
This at the very least is another method of reducing the bargaining power of workers
AZ Progressive
May 2015
#100
If it leads to more efficiency and, with the right public policies, a better standard of living...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#104
Well, first step is to get Republicans out of office, they hate any public policies that...
Humanist_Activist
May 2015
#107