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In reply to the discussion: Hillary vs Bernie re: supporter point of view [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)Although I don't accept your parameters for either of them.
No matter people think, we are in a social contract with everyone, whether we like them or not.
I don't go for the demonization of banks, oil companies, the needy, or anything. There are reasons for all of those things, in moderation. When things get out of balance, is when there is a collapse and great misery.
Example of the social contract is that people work for each other, and should be able to survive and thrive. Different people have different abilitis. Confront me with a spreadsheet, and my brain leaves the room. Have me try to be a teacher, and my body will leave first. I've done a lot of physical labor. Now I can't, I run from it but others can handle. Give me a menial job I think is pointless, repetitive and boring, and I go utterly batshit.
But I need someone who can do all of those things.
In politics, the social contract means some people do believe wars need to be fought to save the nation, others thinks they don't need to happen. Some believe that we should have social services, others think they are worse than going to war.
In each case taxes are paid for each of those things. The point of balance and justice are in finding a medium range. In that reckoning, your context fails.
OTOH, if you are looking at things from a Libertarian POV, every little tax or every big one, and all forms of government are 100% evil unless they are going to directly benefit.
Neither Democratic candidate is goine to give you that. Despite your example , HRC is known as a 'big, no, huge government' advocate. If she's changed her mind due to her latest foray across the USA, it'll be because she ran into a lot of LIbertarians who think what you ascribe to her but doesn't fit her record.
But then again, you may be speaking on a very different plane and we are not getting thriough to each other. Bernie is my first choice, but I look for good things about HRC, too.
Sorry if that's not where you were going there.