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In reply to the discussion: NAFTA, TPP, Detroit... Shame On Us All... [View all]RiverLover
(7,830 posts)39. Maybe not, but its making fracking's natural gas a key component.
...Passage of the agreement may signal a dramatic increase in LNG exports as tariffs on energy products are slashed. Additionally, the agreement would streamline the current U.S. Department of Energy export facility review process. The Japanese market in particular has been eyeing the United States as a growing source for LNG imports. In the wake of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, Japan shut down its nuclear power facilities and has increasingly become dependent on coal and LNG imports. As of 2012 it was the worlds largest LNG importer accounting for 37% of world LNG trade. Currently, Japanese companies hold stake in three of the first four LNG export terminals the U.S. approved.
The U.S. is already on track to become a net exporter of natural gas by 2018 according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, and LNG export facilities have overwhelmingly received government approval. Currently, there are seven LNG terminals that are operating or have been approved, and there are over 50 applications currently awaiting government approval. Additionally, the Department of Energy is considering exporting up to 45% of total US gas produced.
However, the possibility of increased LNG exports has many in the environmental community concerned. According to a statement released by the Sierra Club with the passage of the TPP, the DOE loses its authority to regulate exports of natural gas to countries with which the United States has a free trade agreement that includes so-called ―national treatment for trade in gas. The TPP, therefore, would mean automatic approval of LNG export permitswithout any review or analysisto TPP countries. Additionally, a higher demand for LNG exports could cause increased fracking, a practice seen by many in the environmental community as ecologically dangerous.
A key provision of the TPP is that it allows additional countries to join the agreement at a later time. So, in addition to the LNG prospects with countries currently part of the agreement there is the potential for other Asian markets to join the TPP at a later time.
http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/what-the-trans-pacific-partnership-means-for-lng
The U.S. is already on track to become a net exporter of natural gas by 2018 according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, and LNG export facilities have overwhelmingly received government approval. Currently, there are seven LNG terminals that are operating or have been approved, and there are over 50 applications currently awaiting government approval. Additionally, the Department of Energy is considering exporting up to 45% of total US gas produced.
However, the possibility of increased LNG exports has many in the environmental community concerned. According to a statement released by the Sierra Club with the passage of the TPP, the DOE loses its authority to regulate exports of natural gas to countries with which the United States has a free trade agreement that includes so-called ―national treatment for trade in gas. The TPP, therefore, would mean automatic approval of LNG export permitswithout any review or analysisto TPP countries. Additionally, a higher demand for LNG exports could cause increased fracking, a practice seen by many in the environmental community as ecologically dangerous.
A key provision of the TPP is that it allows additional countries to join the agreement at a later time. So, in addition to the LNG prospects with countries currently part of the agreement there is the potential for other Asian markets to join the TPP at a later time.
http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/what-the-trans-pacific-partnership-means-for-lng
It was happening anyways, but the TPP will expand our LNG exports. We need the jobs though right? We need them because we quit making things here & opted to have them made by virtual slaves, many of them children, in other countries. And its the "environmental community" howling in the wind, because while we put all our eggs in the basket of a FINITE natural resource that poisons water, land & air, it's also just another fossil fuel that is slowly killing life on earth.
The TPP is bad in so many ways, its difficult to sum up in posts here. But it will go through, and our age of greed & short-sightedness will continue until it is too late, most likely.
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That is sad. Too bad our big, gas guzzling cars couldn't compete with foreign cars beginning long
Hoyt
May 2015
#1
Our government picks the winners and losers. Our banks are utter failures, bailed out by regular
Romulox
May 2015
#7
No I'm not willing to protect them or corporations who don't act in the world's best interests,
Hoyt
May 2015
#9
And yet here we are, and that is EXACTLY what happened. So what *are* you defending? nt
Romulox
May 2015
#11
Wait, you're the one who was rah-rah-rah-ing TPP's patent protections extending to 3rd world..
X_Digger
May 2015
#79
Fortunately, drug companies don't charge first-world prices in poor countries. Check it out
Hoyt
May 2015
#80
Management or not, it's a fact. I do not remember unions putting anything on the table
Hoyt
May 2015
#17
Yet, you went straight to a huge management decision as the cause for Detroit's woes.
merrily
May 2015
#24
I'm not willing to protect our auto companies of the 60/70s that produced gas guzzling cars.
Hoyt
May 2015
#5
Exactly. Back then, progressives shunned Detroit's gas, guzzling chromed monstrosities.
Hoyt
May 2015
#10
Yep. There's plenty of blame for what happened to Detroit but NAFTA is the wrong target. nt
ucrdem
May 2015
#12
Ah, so the energy/environmentally prudent left is to blame for Detroit. LMAO at the
merrily
May 2015
#25
Who said that. The big, clumsy, gas guzzling, noncompetitive cars were the problem.
Hoyt
May 2015
#34
I think he's tried to smear a few groups with blame for the demise of Detroit, but
merrily
May 2015
#91
So far you've managed to blame unions and progressives for the fall of Detroit
LondonReign2
May 2015
#45
Over the years I've merely realized that it is useless to argue with Republicans
LondonReign2
May 2015
#55
Nope, I've blamed auto companies, Nationalists, Protectionists, anyone who thought the gravy
Hoyt
May 2015
#49
The people who were responsible for putting gas guzzling, planned obsolescing cars on the market are
merrily
May 2015
#18
They did this to Detroit on purpose. This was the fucking Arsenal of Democracy, and they trashed it.
Romulox
May 2015
#2
That's a logical conclusion from "let Detroit go bankrupt" but don't forget the corollary
ucrdem
May 2015
#16
No. By the time it go to the "Let Detroit go bankrupt" stage, the damage was done.
merrily
May 2015
#19
Detroit was once a shining example of union strength creating a middle class and
merrily
May 2015
#23
Okay but apparently the treaty itself doesn't say anything about fracking, just LNG,
ucrdem
May 2015
#42
Everything about it is "could" because it isn't in place yet. And logically, with reduced tariffs,
RiverLover
May 2015
#44
That document says a lot of things but if you think that the TPP is suddenly going
neverforget
May 2015
#62
The vast majority of mom-and-pop machine shops and the like have closed in Metro Detroit
Romulox
May 2015
#69
NAFTA is one cause of many. Detroit has seen a *precipitous* decline since its passage.
Romulox
May 2015
#70
Unfortunately since long before its passage. From 250,000 in the mid-70's to 150,000 in early 90's.
pampango
May 2015
#75
Nonsense. It saw a precipitous decline AFTER its passage. Your cite stats to prove it. nt
Romulox
May 2015
#93
The drop from 250,000 to 150,000 BEFORE its passage was not a "precipitous decline"?
pampango
May 2015
#95
Wrong again. It's of a piece. The constituent suppliers for cheap labor southern industry
Romulox
May 2015
#94
I proudly bought a Cadillac recently, made in the good 'ole USA. My first American car
beaglelover
May 2015
#81