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In reply to the discussion: NAFTA, TPP, Detroit... Shame On Us All... [View all]ucrdem
(15,512 posts)47. Sure but there are as many POTENTIAL bad effects as the imagination will allow
and there seems to be an awful lot of imaginative activity attached to these scare stories.
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That is sad. Too bad our big, gas guzzling cars couldn't compete with foreign cars beginning long
Hoyt
May 2015
#1
Our government picks the winners and losers. Our banks are utter failures, bailed out by regular
Romulox
May 2015
#7
No I'm not willing to protect them or corporations who don't act in the world's best interests,
Hoyt
May 2015
#9
And yet here we are, and that is EXACTLY what happened. So what *are* you defending? nt
Romulox
May 2015
#11
Wait, you're the one who was rah-rah-rah-ing TPP's patent protections extending to 3rd world..
X_Digger
May 2015
#79
Fortunately, drug companies don't charge first-world prices in poor countries. Check it out
Hoyt
May 2015
#80
Management or not, it's a fact. I do not remember unions putting anything on the table
Hoyt
May 2015
#17
Yet, you went straight to a huge management decision as the cause for Detroit's woes.
merrily
May 2015
#24
I'm not willing to protect our auto companies of the 60/70s that produced gas guzzling cars.
Hoyt
May 2015
#5
Exactly. Back then, progressives shunned Detroit's gas, guzzling chromed monstrosities.
Hoyt
May 2015
#10
Yep. There's plenty of blame for what happened to Detroit but NAFTA is the wrong target. nt
ucrdem
May 2015
#12
Ah, so the energy/environmentally prudent left is to blame for Detroit. LMAO at the
merrily
May 2015
#25
Who said that. The big, clumsy, gas guzzling, noncompetitive cars were the problem.
Hoyt
May 2015
#34
I think he's tried to smear a few groups with blame for the demise of Detroit, but
merrily
May 2015
#91
So far you've managed to blame unions and progressives for the fall of Detroit
LondonReign2
May 2015
#45
Over the years I've merely realized that it is useless to argue with Republicans
LondonReign2
May 2015
#55
Nope, I've blamed auto companies, Nationalists, Protectionists, anyone who thought the gravy
Hoyt
May 2015
#49
The people who were responsible for putting gas guzzling, planned obsolescing cars on the market are
merrily
May 2015
#18
They did this to Detroit on purpose. This was the fucking Arsenal of Democracy, and they trashed it.
Romulox
May 2015
#2
That's a logical conclusion from "let Detroit go bankrupt" but don't forget the corollary
ucrdem
May 2015
#16
No. By the time it go to the "Let Detroit go bankrupt" stage, the damage was done.
merrily
May 2015
#19
Detroit was once a shining example of union strength creating a middle class and
merrily
May 2015
#23
Okay but apparently the treaty itself doesn't say anything about fracking, just LNG,
ucrdem
May 2015
#42
Everything about it is "could" because it isn't in place yet. And logically, with reduced tariffs,
RiverLover
May 2015
#44
That document says a lot of things but if you think that the TPP is suddenly going
neverforget
May 2015
#62
The vast majority of mom-and-pop machine shops and the like have closed in Metro Detroit
Romulox
May 2015
#69
NAFTA is one cause of many. Detroit has seen a *precipitous* decline since its passage.
Romulox
May 2015
#70
Unfortunately since long before its passage. From 250,000 in the mid-70's to 150,000 in early 90's.
pampango
May 2015
#75
Nonsense. It saw a precipitous decline AFTER its passage. Your cite stats to prove it. nt
Romulox
May 2015
#93
The drop from 250,000 to 150,000 BEFORE its passage was not a "precipitous decline"?
pampango
May 2015
#95
Wrong again. It's of a piece. The constituent suppliers for cheap labor southern industry
Romulox
May 2015
#94
I proudly bought a Cadillac recently, made in the good 'ole USA. My first American car
beaglelover
May 2015
#81