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Ken Burch

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354. I didn't dismiss anyone.

Tue May 26, 2015, 10:20 PM

May 2015

I simply said I didn't know why some people made the choices they made. The poster who was pressing me about that was trying to get me to say that the interests of those groups could be fairly represented by the less-progressive candidate, when we both know it never is.

I don't regard anyone as inferior to me. I simply rejected the idea that the less-progressive candidate was ever the best choice for their interests. I also think that the less-progressive candidate never represents the true interests of white working-class voters either.

Am I supposed to say that, if the majority of a certain group makes a certain choice, that choice can't ever be questioned?

My interests are not different than the interests of African-American, Latino, or LGBTQ voters. We all get screwed anytime the less-progressive candidate gets elected. That's all I'm saying.

seabeyond's whole argument with me is based on a myth...for some reason, she thinks that Bernie Sanders and Bernie's supporters don't care about racism, sexism, homophobia, trans phobia or any other form of group oppression. She has no reason to think that, since Bernie's record on all of those issues is better than HRC's or anyone else's in the race, and since Bernie's supporters, as the left of the party, are by definition going to be more committed to fighting oppression than centrists ever would be, and are better than Obama's own history in terms of actual voting record and principles. Obama has done some good things, but he puts the rich ahead of the people at least half the time...no one can seriously dispute that.

And I'm not even attacking Obama, nor is anybody else who backs Bernie, from what I can see.

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What message would we send if we quickly rejected Bernie and crowned HRC? [View all] Ken Burch May 2015 OP

Well Said - Thank You cantbeserious May 2015 #1

That we believe the supreme court is very important and we'd like a democratic POTUS beaglelover May 2015 #2

And we are willing to sell our souls to Goldman-Sachs-O-Gold for the ability rhett o rick May 2015 #15

Apparently pretty far BainsBane May 2015 #25

Are you saying that we Hillary supporters are selling our souls? hrmjustin May 2015 #46

I am saying that H.Clinton favors the big banks and Wall Street. After she rhett o rick May 2015 #154

Yours is not the politics of the 99 percent BainsBane May 2015 #174

"Yours is not the politics of the 99 percent"... SidDithers May 2015 #241

I speak for myself and you do a terrible job at trying to put words into my mouth. rhett o rick May 2015 #253

The "proof" is that the media says the presidential election will cost 2 billion BainsBane May 2015 #301

This isn't about Rhett kenfrequed May 2015 #277

democrats, obama, have fought for minimum wage increase. that is not exclusively sanders. obama has seabeyond May 2015 #284

You didn't actually read my argument. kenfrequed May 2015 #287

Pres Obama didn't fight very hard for a higher min wage. He raise the wages for a very rhett o rick May 2015 #309

he could not get 10.10 thru congress. signed executive order for federal workers. how will sanders seabeyond May 2015 #311

Huh? How could it be different? He could have failed at $15 and signed an executive order for that rhett o rick May 2015 #312

6 yrs later. when obama pushed 10.10, it was 6 years earlier. he was the start. since, states have seabeyond May 2015 #321

Had the president's min wage raise by executive order have been $15 per hour, it would have been a rhett o rick May 2015 #323

i explained that. agree or disagree it was what it is. hence, disappointment seabeyond May 2015 #325

be sure that she knows that we want in increased minimum wage, seabeyond May 2015 #291

I think it is an issue kenfrequed May 2015 #302

listen to you. obama has been fighting for increase in minimum wage. hillary TOO will fight seabeyond May 2015 #304

I am no longer convinced. kenfrequed May 2015 #306

there you go. i ma not a clinton supporter. i am a sander supporter. now.... doesnt that just flip seabeyond May 2015 #307

Didn't I argue with you before. kenfrequed May 2015 #320

"You previously have stated that you support both candidates" the beginning of primary race i am seabeyond May 2015 #322

My mistake kenfrequed May 2015 #327

you..."are upset", "making an awful lot of fuss" your incorrect perceptions, firstly. seabeyond May 2015 #328

At what point... kenfrequed May 2015 #329

"be sure that she knows that we want in increased minimum wage," seabeyond May 2015 #331

Yeah. kenfrequed May 2015 #332

ha. what a trip. you fug up hte argument all over the place with something so very simple seabeyond May 2015 #333

See previous post. kenfrequed May 2015 #334

Sanders seems cool BainsBane May 2015 #295

I could make the same argument about Hillary supporters kenfrequed May 2015 #303

I see a lot of nonsense posted about the election BainsBane May 2015 #308

I don't project class onto someones arguments kenfrequed May 2015 #314

no he is saying "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism" zappaman May 2015 #280

Oh yes that post. hrmjustin May 2015 #288

I guess we will miss him when he leaves DU if HRC gets the nom. zappaman May 2015 #362

Well maybe we can convince him to vote for her. hrmjustin May 2015 #363

Do you mind if i twitter the bernie sanders campaign stonecutter357 May 2015 #172

I think one reason that Sen Sanders is running is because he knows that the rhett o rick May 2015 #254

Twitter this quote as well... zappaman May 2015 #286

I agree with you. We are currently headed for fascism and voting to support the rhett o rick May 2015 #310

Yes, it is certainly one of the dumbest fucking things I've read on the internet. zappaman May 2015 #324

FFS malokvale77 May 2015 #20

"No Republican will cross over for Hillary" leftofcool May 2015 #42

I know 50 that will cross over for Bernie. malokvale77 May 2015 #77

FFS, you are in for a very rude awakening if you somehow manage to get Bernie the D nomination for beaglelover May 2015 #43

At this point in time... malokvale77 May 2015 #157

Holy crap-how did that plane stay in the air for seven-and-a-half extra hours without refueling? Ken Burch May 2015 #205

And what makes him so much less electable than Ted Cruz? Scootaloo May 2015 #177

That is all your opinion. KMOD May 2015 #105

#157 (nt) malokvale77 May 2015 #158

I have a relative who always 840high May 2015 #133

That is what I have been experiencing. malokvale77 May 2015 #161

Friends and family are apparently the best barometer for a national electorate... brooklynite May 2015 #266

Ah - you again. 840high May 2015 #297

FWIW-I would NEVER assume a candidate I support was doing well because of what my friends say... brooklynite May 2015 #300

I am not aware of what you do. 840high May 2015 #358

I thought everyone knew me...I get enough criticism for it brooklynite May 2015 #360

Now I know. Thanks. 840high May 2015 #361

What are the Very Important People that you socialize with saying? frylock May 2015 #316

My teabagger BIL completely dismisses Bernie. Paka May 2015 #176

This Paka... malokvale77 May 2015 #218

I agree whole-heartedly! Paka May 2015 #219

There's not really all that many, they're just really noisy. Scuba May 2015 #227

You can always find another forum leftofcool May 2015 #231

+1,000 Scuba May 2015 #226

Frankly, this is actually not a strong argument. kenfrequed May 2015 #278

That's not enough for me. 840high May 2015 #135

How about actually winning the WH? Is that important to you? KMOD May 2015 #137

Anyone we nominate can do that. Ken Burch May 2015 #217

In a nutshell. malokvale77 May 2015 #222

Her appeal seems very high in current polling. KMOD May 2015 #247

I am supporting Bernie BECAUSE of the SC. Hillary cannot win the GE. She has no crossover sabrina 1 May 2015 #299

Hear, hear. woo me with science May 2015 #3

What do you consider "quickly?" Renew Deal May 2015 #4

With your attitude the American people will surely lose. cui bono May 2015 #5

Who are the American people? Renew Deal May 2015 #7

Who are the American people? What do you mean by that? cui bono May 2015 #37

We are all the American people. Renew Deal May 2015 #50

Yes we are. My interpretation was that we need to fight for him to show we support his ideas cui bono May 2015 #55

That's your opinion. JaneyVee May 2015 #8

Of course it is. I'm not going to write someone else's opinion. cui bono May 2015 #28

Yes cui bono... malokvale77 May 2015 #162

HRC supporters don't support that. JaneyVee May 2015 #6

I agree Renew Deal May 2015 #10

Then you do have the right to change your mind, instead of Super-Gluing your mouth to HRC's eloydude May 2015 #18

lolwut? JaneyVee May 2015 #19

eloydude said you have your mouth glued to Hillary's ass./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #49

I'm actually still undecided, although the Bernie crowd... JaneyVee May 2015 #56

That's exactly what I would suggest. Wait for the debates. eloydude May 2015 #69

Your vote is your own but if a HRC supporter accuses you of having your lips glued to ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #76

I tried to alert when he said that, but it had already been alerted on. Ken Burch May 2015 #215

You might want to edit your post. leftofcool May 2015 #44

What? What's there to edit? It's PG-rated.. eloydude May 2015 #59

It's childish! But most Bernie supporters are childish. leftofcool May 2015 #72

That's where you are confusing passion for childish..... eloydude May 2015 #80

We have plenty, we just use it in a mature way. leftofcool May 2015 #87

When they don't answer a simple question: "What makes Hillary better than Bernie" eloydude May 2015 #93

Clinton supporters have frequently offered reasons to support her over Sanders brooklynite May 2015 #268

No doubt, your petulant and peevish actions are thankfully not shared by Sanders. LanternWaste May 2015 #235

This is whatbhe did last night. hrmjustin May 2015 #298

Nah it's cool. Let it all out there. JaneyVee May 2015 #61

I think middle school must be out! leftofcool May 2015 #68

Jury Results oneshooter May 2015 #94

I support #7.. seriously... eloydude May 2015 #102

Really? Then YOU probably shouldn't have made that comment, eh? leftofcool May 2015 #120

My comment was meant to be the nicest way possible.. eloydude May 2015 #121

No, it is not a problem. You are the one with the problem leftofcool May 2015 #128

I see...whereas the Sanders supporters are thoughtfully keeping an open mind...right? brooklynite May 2015 #269

On this we agree. hrmjustin May 2015 #122

Your callout and insults to me and other HRC supporters are out of hand. hrmjustin May 2015 #272

Welcome to DU! zappaman May 2015 #279

Oh grow up. NuclearDem May 2015 #117

You're on a site where 90-95 percent of the people support Sanders BainsBane May 2015 #9

Why do you just not respond? Bonobo May 2015 #12

In other words BainsBane May 2015 #13

Difference: Your response is to attack the poster for his feelings. Bonobo May 2015 #41

Anybody can respond. KMOD May 2015 #130

I responded to his point BainsBane May 2015 #132

BS. You can respond all you want and so can I. Bonobo May 2015 #147

The whole thread is a callout built on a false premise or a straw man, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #84

Bemusing that you hold others to a higher standard than you hold yourself to. LanternWaste May 2015 #236

Of course you want to "wait for the primary". Money wins and the billionaires have unlimited rhett o rick May 2015 #23

Are you saying you don't want people to vote now? BainsBane May 2015 #71

I didn't say any of those things. I can see how if I did, then you would have something to complain rhett o rick May 2015 #257

The Bernie supports here come across, to me at least, as very young and beaglelover May 2015 #30

This "very young and immature and idealistic" Sanders supporter... 99Forever May 2015 #47

Exactly and I just put another one in ignore for calling us all chldish. They really know how to jwirr May 2015 #156

That isn't the demographic of this site BainsBane May 2015 #86

I am 76. 840high May 2015 #142

I love being called young at 60...and I am very idealistic and optimistic! NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #149

they aren't young at all which makes it even worse with how they come off JI7 May 2015 #173

don't forget that they're gullible as well frylock May 2015 #318

Because there are a lot of posts that say we have to vote for Hillary because we don't want the GOP cui bono May 2015 #45

Really? Because there are far fewer Clinton supporters BainsBane May 2015 #83

I'm not sure what the amount of supporters each has has to do with anything, but in any case, cui bono May 2015 #85

It's reflected in the numbers of threads and responses BainsBane May 2015 #92

That's not what it is for me, it's the fact that a lot Hillary supporters post as if she's running cui bono May 2015 #97

I have trouble with the fact that so many vest so much BainsBane May 2015 #112

That sounds like an argument for it doesn't matter who we elect zeemike May 2015 #150

I think party matters BainsBane May 2015 #160

Well it can never be altered without a president zeemike May 2015 #233

i being one of the people say it ONLY to those that SAY they will not vote clinton if she wins. seabeyond May 2015 #239

A bad, bad one. Bonobo May 2015 #11

FYI it's not just Bernie and Hillary... one_voice May 2015 #14

Roe will be overturned no matter what. Citizens United will never be overturned. Ken Burch May 2015 #27

And where do the other... one_voice May 2015 #81

I referenced HRC because of the implication that she was the ONLY electable Dem. Ken Burch May 2015 #95

let me understand. you have so little hope for supreme crt, yet, confident sanders can turn u.s. seabeyond May 2015 #240

May I please have a list of every poster who is asking for a coronation. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #16

You, for starters.. eloydude May 2015 #21

Show me the post where I demanded a coronation. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #26

I can say a few things as well but he/she is not worth a hidden post. hrmjustin May 2015 #29

It's worth a hide. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #40

When you refused to consider anyone else except Hillary Clinton because she's eloydude May 2015 #52

No links? Just as I thought! leftofcool May 2015 #63

I have said, ad nauseum and ad infinitum, I have no desire to tell others how to vote. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #70

A President Hillary Clinton will have earned her office. LuvLoogie May 2015 #187

i wasn't aware DUers were telling you that we need to do a coronation. hrmjustin May 2015 #17

You're guilty too. eloydude May 2015 #22

Link? hrmjustin May 2015 #24

I don't think someone with 258 posts has ever read any of your posts! leftofcool May 2015 #35

Poster just got here and seems to think he/she knows what i am guilty of. hrmjustin May 2015 #39

Poster just got here... one_voice May 2015 #119

. hrmjustin May 2015 #124

Stop disrespecting posters from the anonymity of an internet connection. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #32

Guilty? I'm sure you're able to... one_voice May 2015 #38

Still waiting for the link. hrmjustin May 2015 #66

I'm still waiting on why you prefer Hillary over Bernie... eloydude May 2015 #75

Your the one who made an accusation against me. Back it up! hrmjustin May 2015 #79

Fine. I did a few minutes of research. I found nothing. So I'll be a man, and apologize. eloydude May 2015 #90

Perhaps in the future you should think before you make an accusations against a fellow DUer. hrmjustin May 2015 #100

Because there really isn't much differenc between the two candidates. KMOD May 2015 #136

Bernie can and will win the primaries and blow away the Republicans eloydude May 2015 #140

It's early yet, but please entertain me, and tell me which caucuses and primarys KMOD May 2015 #143

As another Bernie supporter, let me respectfully ask you to Ken Burch May 2015 #214

VERY mature.....typical Bernie supporter on DU. Childish. beaglelover May 2015 #242

I was denouncing that guy(who I'm pretty sure is actually a rw troll)for his abusive tactics. Ken Burch May 2015 #313

There are a lot of posts where people say we have to vote for Hillary or else the GOP will appoint cui bono May 2015 #48

People advocating for HRC is not telling people we need a coronation. hrmjustin May 2015 #54

No, that's not what they are saying. They are saying we have to vote for her or else the GOP cui bono May 2015 #62

No that is saying she is the only one who can win. hrmjustin May 2015 #64

No, it's giving the primary to her before we even have it. Not the same thing at all. cui bono May 2015 #73

If you are under the impression that i am upset but your opinion of me then you are sadly hrmjustin May 2015 #82

I'm not under any impressions of your emotions. I'm just telling you like it is. cui bono May 2015 #88

no. you are not honest. argument is dishonest. i have addressed only the people braggin wont vote seabeyond May 2015 #246

He accused you of being closed minded... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #89

Sometimes i wonder if it is just time to take the rest of the primary off from DU. hrmjustin May 2015 #91

Nope! I have a better idea! leftofcool May 2015 #99

Ok. hrmjustin May 2015 #101

That is their raison d'etre, to chase everybody who disagrees with them from this site. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #103

Normally i have that strength as well but i think i need a break soon. hrmjustin May 2015 #106

There is nothing liberal about bullying people./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #107

Very true. hrmjustin May 2015 #108

People aren't this mean in real life. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #110

Yeah even here in Brooklyn we are rather polite. hrmjustin May 2015 #111

I live in Los Angeles and take public transportation. Most folks are friendly... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #113

I live in the southern end so we don't many hipsters but yes Brooklyn is trending. hrmjustin May 2015 #115

I left NY when I was 12 DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #116

Yes it is and it is very trendy now. hrmjustin May 2015 #118

Too cold. FL and CA weather has spoiled me. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #123

Pacific and Atlantic.Ave hrmjustin May 2015 #125

Is that near Williamsburg? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #126

No, the north end of Park Slope. hrmjustin May 2015 #127

That's where the fictional Cosbys lived, very tony./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #129

Nice area. hrmjustin May 2015 #131

Ever been to L A. I have only been here three years. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #134

I have several times. Hot all the time. hrmjustin May 2015 #138

Then you would fry in Orlando and Miami/NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #144

I am a very fair skinned person so I don't go in the sun often. hrmjustin May 2015 #153

Yep. I find the responses in this thread to be jaw-dropping. That anyone thinks that scurrying Number23 May 2015 #166

of course not, just like how most of the Elizabeth Warren Support is usually just JI7 May 2015 #167

That is exactly what happened in 2008. jwirr May 2015 #163

People left? hrmjustin May 2015 #164

Yes, the fight between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters got so hot that many just left. jwirr May 2015 #168

Yes we are at each others throats. hrmjustin May 2015 #171

Really? Should I post the link where you purposely edited your post to make it look like I cui bono May 2015 #225

Here i just did it for you. hrmjustin May 2015 #262

It's not "he", and hrmjusting told me 2-3 months ago that he was for Hillary end of story. cui bono May 2015 #224

he is ALLOWED to have made his choice of democratic candidate. for real? you are fuckin on his ass seabeyond May 2015 #248

Where did I say he is not ALLOWED to do that? cui bono May 2015 #335

well sure. he is allowed. but then, he is closed minded after all. forget that he sees the value in seabeyond May 2015 #336

Ah... so I DIDN'T say he wasn't allowed. That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up! cui bono May 2015 #338

absolutely not a hint of qualm insulting the man for his choice. seabeyond May 2015 #339

Weird. I must have missed the post where you apologized for your false accusation of me. cui bono May 2015 #342

oh bullshit. you insulted him for no reason but he refuses to do what you want him to do. then seabeyond May 2015 #343

What is it that I asked him to do? Please quote me. And where did I claim I was a victim? cui bono May 2015 #345

just more games. seabeyond May 2015 #346

So no quotes? And no apology for the false accusations? cui bono May 2015 #348

you do not have a gotcha. what you have is you insulting a man for his choices. seabeyond May 2015 #349

Thank you Seabeyond! hrmjustin May 2015 #350

you are owed MORE, than what you were getting in this conversation. nt seabeyond May 2015 #352

Thank you. hrmjustin May 2015 #353

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin May 2015 #263

Yeah, it pretty much is. Bonobo May 2015 #178

Let me ask you this. hrmjustin May 2015 #180

No, not if the person was just describing his emotional reaction. Bonobo May 2015 #182

Maybe i am gutless coward but... hrmjustin May 2015 #183

No strong reaction of horror at war and the deaths of innocents in Iraq... Bonobo May 2015 #184

Interesting post but if i am not mistaken i think your reaction was about her laughing about gaddafi hrmjustin May 2015 #185

True indeed. Such expressions of joy in the face of war and death do make me ill. Bonobo May 2015 #186

i won't shed a tear for gaddafi. hrmjustin May 2015 #188

Yes, but it isn't about that. It is about judging a person by their reactions Bonobo May 2015 #189

Then don't vote for her. hrmjustin May 2015 #191

Your evasiveness is...satisfying. Bonobo May 2015 #192

"YOU will not be called out for your own little part in actual, real death and misery" hrmjustin May 2015 #193

I feel the case has been made. Bonobo May 2015 #194

Yeah how dare i have a different opinion then you. hrmjustin May 2015 #196

Now I'm starting to feel bad. Bonobo May 2015 #198

i can't keep my eyes open so you can go on about this tomorrow if you like. hrmjustin May 2015 #201

Not everyone is in your time zone. But go to sleep and have sweet, sweet dreams Bonobo May 2015 #202

And free of keyboard warriors. hrmjustin May 2015 #203

Good god BainsBane May 2015 #209

For once we agree! nt Bonobo May 2015 #210

here i am a supporter. i am only still a suport cause i keep taking the insults, dismissals of my seabeyond May 2015 #250

Nobody has insulted you. Ken Burch May 2015 #315

meh... to the supreme court. no. that is not support to seabeyond May 2015 #317

What I said was that by 2016, the court probably will have decided everything already. Ken Burch May 2015 #319

we have a lot working its way up form state laws passed. better damn well have a supreme crt seabeyond May 2015 #326

Anyone we nominated would give us that. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #340

yes. and i have not argued that either. you are the one to dismiss supreme crt in YOUR OP. seabeyond May 2015 #344

not hit things. people. a woman. or another he can take down. nt seabeyond May 2015 #249

again. i ONLY comment on those that brag they will not vote dem if clinton wins. a little honesty seabeyond May 2015 #244

... RandySF May 2015 #31

K & R Thanks for posting this. L0oniX May 2015 #33

It would say that the message would be that democratic voters quickly rejected Senator Sanders, KMOD May 2015 #34

Your post discounts the fact that they are very far apart on the political spectrum. cui bono May 2015 #51

No. I don't agree with you on that. KMOD May 2015 #58

She is not left. She is center, perhaps slightly left of because of social issues. cui bono May 2015 #65

She is left. KMOD May 2015 #74

Why is the Wall Street and Monsanto stuff silly? cui bono May 2015 #141

Because she is a fighter for everyday people, KMOD May 2015 #145

Here's a side question Renew Deal May 2015 #104

Oh for Gawd's sake! Get over it already. This is boring! leftofcool May 2015 #36

... okasha May 2015 #57

all I hear is that Hillary is more popular olddots May 2015 #53

She is very well respected and admired, olddots. KMOD May 2015 #67

That is the way one wins elections mythology May 2015 #98

political demographs in a political campaign and race is significant, right? omg, that is discussed. seabeyond May 2015 #245

I see those who post as if they are for Bernie does not hear him when he ask to cease the bad Thinkingabout May 2015 #60

Stating a candidates past and present positions, policies and associations is not bad mouthing. cui bono May 2015 #78

I believe he said criticism is fair game, and Hillary brings plenty to criticize - she is running whereisjustice May 2015 #152

Bernie has tried to guide his supporters to cease the criticizing, guess you did not hear him. Thinkingabout May 2015 #165

On why he criticizes other candidates, namely Hillary Clinton: whereisjustice May 2015 #170

you might want to reflect on personal insults not only in the OP but several posts that has nothing seabeyond May 2015 #251

That We Are Serious, And Sensible. WillyT May 2015 #96

serious! by gosh. dismiss the third branch of our govt with a MEH... fuck you. totally series11!!11! seabeyond May 2015 #252

What we would be saying in my opinion is that we are hunky dory with corporations owning POTUS onecaliberal May 2015 #109

+1 840high May 2015 #151

Hillary will continue to turn our nation over to corporations to manage, those on the right whereisjustice May 2015 #114

and it's also BS. KMOD May 2015 #139

What the hell does that mean? Historic NY May 2015 #148

obama went after wallstreet and bankers and only got so far. will be the same for clinton AND seabeyond May 2015 #255

That we're happy with wars, pollution, for profit health insurance, wall street rule, Doctor_J May 2015 #146

And Hillary has shown to be willing to change her views on the meaning of marriage on a dime if it whereisjustice May 2015 #155

very nimble for her age. she's "evolved" on so many issues it's hard to remember which are Doctor_J May 2015 #159

ken, this is such a hyperbolic drama of the very myth i stated in my post above, a minute ago. #255 seabeyond May 2015 #256

I suspect that is why Bernie is running MaggieD May 2015 #169

Alas, the debates are meaningless. SheilaT May 2015 #175

If HRC is nominated, all the Nineties shit will be revived. Ken Burch May 2015 #216

It will not be us, the good Democrats SheilaT May 2015 #221

First off...take your insults and shove them workinclasszero May 2015 #179

"get on a democratic board and say that the next SCOTUS openings are unimportant" seabeyond May 2015 #258

And then you will see the Bernie purists throw him under the proverbial bus, MoonRiver May 2015 #260

I have no doubt! workinclasszero May 2015 #270

Wouldn't surprise me, one little bit. MoonRiver May 2015 #271

"take your insults and shove them" followed by a call out of "Bernie purists" frylock May 2015 #330

why do you think she has high approvals from african americans and latinos ? JI7 May 2015 #181

They want to be on the side of the candidate seen as the frontrunner. Ken Burch May 2015 #195

so why don't they support republicans when republicans are front runners ? JI7 May 2015 #197

Because the Republicans want to destroy them, rather than just blandly ignore them. Ken Burch May 2015 #199

so why do you think they accept being blindly ignored ? JI7 May 2015 #200

Sometimes you take what you think you can get. Ken Burch May 2015 #204

but why are they unable to see the truth ? JI7 May 2015 #208

I'm not claiming to speak as "the Voice of Truth". Don't project that on me. Ken Burch May 2015 #213

but you did in your OP as you usually do , and Rahm actually got higher percentage of hispanic vote JI7 May 2015 #220

I simply speak for myself, as everyone here has the right to do. Ken Burch May 2015 #223

You just dismissed entire races of people as unable to make decisions based on their own interests BainsBane May 2015 #232

it is not like this has not been discussed and said RESPECTFULLY and repeatedly the last 3 weeks. seabeyond May 2015 #261

No it doesn't. Ken Burch May 2015 #355

I didn't dismiss anyone. Ken Burch May 2015 #354

What is the basis for your opinion on african americans and latinos? lovemydog May 2015 #212

I do not think you have an alternative unless someone from the Democratic party is running. akbacchus_BC May 2015 #190

You're completely incorrect, we have Sanders as a choice dreamnightwind May 2015 #207

"populist causes rather than corporatist causes." while progressive doesnt say, fuck the supreme crt seabeyond May 2015 #267

Bernie would appoint excellent SCOTUS justices dreamnightwind May 2015 #273

of course i know sanders will do well. as i have repeatedly said. that is NOT what my argument is. seabeyond May 2015 #274

Ah, on this issue your quarrel is with the OP, not me dreamnightwind May 2015 #275

We don't, but the problem is the populace overwhelmingly supports the two party's in control, though still_one May 2015 #211

hillary clinton is not evil. i support sanders, so far. or leaning to him seabeyond May 2015 #265

what are you talking about, she is being challenged, not only by Bernie, but most likely a couple of still_one May 2015 #206

DU rec, although I disagree that all the SCOTUS important cases will be decided, ever. Scuba May 2015 #228

bullshit rules once again quickesst May 2015 #229

I support Bernie quaker bill May 2015 #230

Is there a strong, collective opinion that everyone except Clinton should drop out? LanternWaste May 2015 #234

How would we do that? There are primary elections. MineralMan May 2015 #237

what a fuckin dismissing insulting post to so many, for so many reasons. and yet... you own the high seabeyond May 2015 #238

I have nothing to do with the "populist forum" and never have. Ken Burch May 2015 #359

We will be saying that more of the electorate supports Hillary Clinton MoonRiver May 2015 #243

We'll be saying we want a good liberal president who will do the right thing for the next four MohRokTah May 2015 #259

No one who was a bland centrist in the Nineties can be a liberal now. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #356

Hillary Clinton has NEVER been a bland centrist. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #357

Who is "quickly rejecting Bernie"? brooklynite May 2015 #264

I think HRC supporters are nervous about Bernie, which is good. If they were not nervous peacebird May 2015 #276

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2015 #281

That was not me. peacebird May 2015 #285

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2015 #289

I am not peace13...? I am peacebird. Even the total post count is wrong. That is not my post. peacebird May 2015 #290

thank you so much for pointing out my mistake. i wil delete them. i am sorry. my bad. nt seabeyond May 2015 #292

No worries! peacebird May 2015 #293

this is how bad i am. listening to the other poster, i was thinking you seabeyond May 2015 #294

(Hugs) peacebird May 2015 #296

Mine vs. Yours HassleCat May 2015 #282

That we are realistic, and not pinning our hopes on a million to 1 shot. frankieallen May 2015 #283

The message is that the Democratic Party cares about winning in the general election Gothmog May 2015 #305

Oh look... another self-righteous thread attacking HRC supporters. n/t Adrahil May 2015 #337

Nobody wants a "coronation". DanTex May 2015 #341

It says we are the more inclusive and less delusional wing of the anti constitution, WarBucks Party. TheKentuckian May 2015 #347

Message: It's all about Money and Power Joe Turner May 2015 #351

That, no matter what we say, we really don't give a fuck about economic justice. LWolf May 2015 #364