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phleshdef

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37. I'm voting for Bernie, but this is really irrelevant.

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 04:17 AM

May 2015

In my teenage years through my early 20s, I was clueless and wrong on SO many issues. I was conservative on stupid shit like abortion and gay marriage rights and national security while being liberal on social safety nets, civil rights issues for minorities (except for being totally wrong on gay marriage). A lot of that was driven by my religious upbringing but at some point critical thought kicked in and I realized why a woman's right to choose matters and that sexual orientation is just another biological trait like being red headed or brown eyed or a certain type of skin tone.

I'm not denying that Hillary has a hawkish bent and a very comfortable relationship with big business. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. But to deny that Hillary doesn't have a lot of liberal views on a great many of issues is dishonest. And to try and suggest that her record and views right now are anywhere in the neighborhood of Goldwater's is gross fabrication. I believe Bernie Sanders would agree with me on this as well.

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When Bernie was an organizer for MLK's march on DC. Hillary was a Goldwater girl. [View all] Luminous Animal May 2015 OP

And she worked for Eugene McCarthy that summer. geek tragedy May 2015 #1

47 years ago, I knew right from wrong. I was 10 years old and I when I was 12 Luminous Animal May 2015 #6

So you think Elizabeth Warren and Glenn Greenwald lack geek tragedy May 2015 #9

Yeah, evidently Elizabeth Warren didn't "know right from wrong" when she voted for Reagan twice.. Cha May 2015 #12

My choice for president right now is for a person who advocated for civil rights for all Luminous Animal May 2015 #19

Great... NiceTryGuy May 2015 #21

Whose civil rights did she oppose? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #65

Hiilary and Bill consider the Bush's their friends. Luminous Animal May 2015 #14

Bill Clinton removed Poppy Bush from office. geek tragedy May 2015 #50

That left a mark. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #67

Greenwald definitely brush May 2015 #55

Hillary isn't a liberal Democrat. HooptieWagon May 2015 #68

you're going to put that on a moral plane of right and wrong? treestar May 2015 #59

Yes But She Was Still A Republican billhicks76 May 2015 #33

+1000 n/t LuvNewcastle May 2015 #40

Nelson Rockefeller was not a conservative. charlyvi May 2015 #42

Liberal Republican NY governor.... Historic NY May 2015 #44

I lived In NYC as a little boy but I was old enough to understand politics. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #72

C'mon Rockefeller Drug Laws billhicks76 May 2015 #77

She worked on the McGovern campaign. geek tragedy May 2015 #51

She was against war, before she was for it. HooptieWagon May 2015 #69

He also said conservatism was dead in 72 when the more conservative candidate... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #74

Until 12 years later . . . nt geek tragedy May 2015 #75

Nixon Won By Treason billhicks76 May 2015 #80

It's a good thing some of us aren't generals DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #84

You're Being Asanine billhicks76 May 2015 #79

If you're going to call someone asInine geek tragedy May 2015 #83

Her views were much more nuanced than the caricature you drew of her. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #70

Ok But She Has Since Proven Untrustworthy billhicks76 May 2015 #82

You know, there's no need to reciprocate the bullshit argument Scootaloo May 2015 #2

We're going to need them... NiceTryGuy May 2015 #23

Rumors of the campaign's demise are exceedingly premature. Scootaloo May 2015 #25

Bernie has two chances to win... NiceTryGuy May 2015 #30

wouldn't Bernie run for the RedstDem May 2015 #39

Yep, nice catch. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #41

"Fall in line?" Maedhros May 2015 #29

See you in Camp Hill... NiceTryGuy May 2015 #31

Thought we already been through Bush II? Lancero May 2015 #56

Welcome (back) to DU! morningfog May 2015 #38

Are you saying... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #3

Are you saying that Hillary has finally caught up to the 60s? Luminous Animal May 2015 #10

Good one! Definitely a thread winner. TreasonousBastard May 2015 #17

+1 treestar May 2015 #61

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #4

There were liberal republicans in the 1960's. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #5

Not far enough to the left for me gopiscrap May 2015 #7

Maybe, but which party were the yellow dogs back then? Who... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #16

John Lindsay was a Republican. Many of his Democratic opponents ran to his right, DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #73

Indeed. Those "liberal" Republicans, like Goldwater and Hillary who could not imagine Luminous Animal May 2015 #11

Oh, so you want to see Elizabeth Warren "fucking dead".. get a grip. Cha May 2015 #13

I was member of the progressive labor party back then gwheezie May 2015 #8

Very well said, thank you. Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #15

wow people, it's come to this?! uponit7771 May 2015 #18

. stonecutter357 May 2015 #20

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2015 #22

K~ sheshe2 May 2015 #24

Yeah, because he was that much older. She was still a teenager living under pnwmom May 2015 #26

There wouldn't be this thread if a Hillaryite didn't decide to challenge Bernie on racial issues AZ Progressive May 2015 #27

So what? That doesn't make it worth anything. Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan Twice and Cha May 2015 #34

Well, of course. Hillary is much younger than Senator Sanders. MADem May 2015 #28

Excellent point, MADem.. The neener neener "Goldwater Girl" doesn't hold any water. Not to mention Cha May 2015 #35

I'm not as concerned with what the candidates were doing 40+ years ago Maedhros May 2015 #32

stop. please cali May 2015 #36

I'm voting for Bernie, but this is really irrelevant. phleshdef May 2015 #37

Goldwater publicly and repeatedly advocated using nuclear weapons on the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #47

+1 treestar May 2015 #62

there were actually moderates in the GOP back then DrDan May 2015 #43

And Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat. thesquanderer May 2015 #45

Bernie was a SNCC organizer. That's the only credential that matters, in my book. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #46

Not the only, but an important credential. nt LWolf May 2015 #49

Reaching for the stars I see. hrmjustin May 2015 #48

Bernie for president chev52 May 2015 #52

Derp. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #53

And twenty years after than Elizabeth Warren supported Ronald Reagan BainsBane May 2015 #54

The reactions to this thread don't at all surpise me... Lancero May 2015 #57

50 years ago treestar May 2015 #58

Janet Hill DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #60

Good grief. DCBob May 2015 #63

I think we should have a new item on the home upaloopa May 2015 #64

..... Skidmore May 2015 #66

And Sen. Warren was more recently a Republican. Ancient history may not be very useful. Orsino May 2015 #71

Stoppit, just Stoppit. Bernie is terrific - and so is Hillary elfin May 2015 #76

If one needs to go that far back to bash Hillary then that speaks volumes. DCBob May 2015 #78

While Bernie was writing about raping women! Sancho May 2015 #81

It was not an essay on rape. It was an essay about women's changing roles in sociiety and led Luminous Animal May 2015 #87

Goldwater Girl/Bernie's a Racist. These are both butt ignorant, inaccurate verbal turds that are Bluenorthwest May 2015 #85

K&R woo me with science May 2015 #86