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113. I see your agreement. But if is all economics, why was black skin an excuse for slavery for life?

Reply to BrotherIvan (Reply #77)

Fri May 29, 2015, 01:35 AM

May 2015

None of the 'indentured' white servants had that forced on them.

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The Bernie Sanders race argument is a cheap shot. [View all] Renew Deal May 2015 OP

All politicians have a race issue. MohRokTah May 2015 #1

Please tell me whether you get on DUers that support Hillary Clinton that whine when they feel davidpdx May 2015 #138

Agreed. Buzz Clik May 2015 #2

Since his opponents can only lose MannyGoldstein May 2015 #3

Wait a second - I come from Florida a very flat state. el_bryanto May 2015 #4

FL - the flatest state MannyGoldstein May 2015 #26

Then Sanders is your guy NorthCarolina May 2015 #42

First of all Bobbie Jo May 2015 #10

Yeah, obviously racial issues are fake concerns to POC..... bettyellen May 2015 #12

The point is not that their concern is fake, Maedhros May 2015 #46

"claim that Bernie is somehow not in favor of total racial equality." bullshit seabeyond May 2015 #50

That is exactly what the poster implied. The claim is that Bernie has not reached out bettyellen May 2015 #52

He officially announced TWO days ago BrotherIvan May 2015 #62

it was a black blogger that had nothing to do with du, AND i personally think seabeyond May 2015 #66

The blogger is a WHITE WOMAN BrotherIvan May 2015 #81

then my bad. i thought it was a black woman. nt seabeyond May 2015 #89

Ok, now we're getting somewhere BrotherIvan May 2015 #95

no. and still you said duers and ME were calling sanders a racist. and no one was. no. seabeyond May 2015 #97

You win! BrotherIvan May 2015 #99

i could use a gold star would help me to do an advance search. nt seabeyond May 2015 #100

Posted by someone in the 'Not Good Enough, Bernie' OP, it's this woman's blog from May 27 appalachiablue May 2015 #139

So you know this is the blog writer of 'Not good enough, Bernie', Nancy Letourneau appalachiablue May 2015 #143

Yes, her neoliberal blogposts often show up in the BOG BrotherIvan May 2015 #171

Sorry to know that, but now I recall hearing of the strange blogsite once or twice. appalachiablue May 2015 #173

Apologists love apologia BrotherIvan May 2015 #174

It's all about his ONE first speech, so yeah. bettyellen May 2015 #67

he started it last night with his OP. so everyone gets to play in it today. nt seabeyond May 2015 #69

Well it's making some Sanders supporters look pretty rude and dismissive... bettyellen May 2015 #72

i do not go into the ones that dismiss sanders, by clinton supporters. seabeyond May 2015 #75

Haha BrotherIvan May 2015 #80

you did NOT start an OP late last night accusing people of saying, sanders is a racist? seabeyond May 2015 #84

Their concerns are certainly unfounded when it comes to Bernie. Maedhros May 2015 #68

I think the criticism was of one speech, and that it is correct. bettyellen May 2015 #94

You're just helping throw muck on the wall to see what will stick. Maedhros May 2015 #101

If you think that is muck, good luck surviving till the primary. bettyellen May 2015 #147

Being warned that they're just getting started & you'll never survive till the primaries appalachiablue May 2015 #156

Exactly BrotherIvan May 2015 #64

Totally misrepresenting my words. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #61

Nope- you're saying quite clearly that the issue is a ginned up one quite clearly. bettyellen May 2015 #65

it's pretty clear to any reader. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #73

Awww, feeling constantly misunderstood must bum you out.... bettyellen May 2015 #93

+ a kabillion. nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #32

coming from small-town New England, it's either the Lottery, Brown Jenkin, MisterP May 2015 #53

The only way it is not a cheap shot... NCTraveler May 2015 #5

But, it isn't about demographics. leftofcool May 2015 #6

If you're a Democrat and are seeking the Democratic Party nomination Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #7

But the idea that he is ignoring race in his speeches is not true BrotherIvan May 2015 #25

I just saw this op - and responded to another one on his demographics in VT JustAnotherGen May 2015 #35

Ok, you made me laugh BrotherIvan May 2015 #38

I just wanted to warn you! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #39

Pssst - I gave brother ivan a heads up JustAnotherGen May 2015 #36

Meanwhile, the vast majority of actual Socialists I've met.... JaneyVee May 2015 #8

No it's not. DanTex May 2015 #9

Exactly- and the reaction here claiming there were accusations of racism is BS bettyellen May 2015 #14

Using incendiary photos in a post to discuss the issue is very disgusting BrotherIvan May 2015 #27

It is one incendiary photo to illustrate an incendiary issue - one that people fear will be ignored. bettyellen May 2015 #44

The assertion had no basis in fact BrotherIvan May 2015 #48

Baloney- the criticism IS about the one kick off. bettyellen May 2015 #63

I am a person of color BrotherIvan May 2015 #77

I see your agreement. But if is all economics, why was black skin an excuse for slavery for life? freshwest May 2015 #113

I'm not sure I understand the question BrotherIvan May 2015 #115

Well said Brother Ivan. appalachiablue May 2015 #137

I'm not sure where I was going there, I'm tired. And that OP was weird. The pics freshwest May 2015 #153

+1, all the way thru your long post. exactly. nt seabeyond May 2015 #154

"Also, I am tired of listening to white people talking about black people like they know better." BrotherIvan May 2015 #178

Europeans did not enslave other Europeans for life, esp. in western Europe per se like they appalachiablue May 2015 #163

Thanks for the primer, I knew most of that already. My question was rhetorical and specific. n/t freshwest May 2015 #167

That's great, I just elaborated on what you brought up, but knew already- why and how whites appalachiablue May 2015 #172

Note, 'optics' has been used at least 7 times in 2 different posts I've read in the last 30 minutes. appalachiablue May 2015 #116

Yes, they are criticizing him for his "optics" BrotherIvan May 2015 #117

You've been fantastic the past couple of days with your posts enigmatic May 2015 #118

Wow, thank you BrotherIvan May 2015 #119

Exactly. It's "Gaslighting". You nailed it. Pooka Fey May 2015 #131

Charles Boyer would be proud! appalachiablue May 2015 #136

If that person is a Bernie supporter, I'm Rand Paul's love child. RufusTFirefly May 2015 #151

It seems there are new "suppoters" being made every day on this board BrotherIvan May 2015 #175

I told poster the OP should have been formatted differently to not give a misconception. But I agree freshwest May 2015 #112

I made a post about this subject BrotherIvan May 2015 #120

Great post- but I really didn't see anyone say anything more than his lack of addressing bettyellen May 2015 #157

i have concluded this morning, this fabricated, sanders is a racist, is simple another way for pro seabeyond May 2015 #161

Yep- and people here saying that SJWs are faking concerns- bettyellen May 2015 #168

how does one reconcile insisting on exclusive, when gaining votes is a must for a win, is the right seabeyond May 2015 #169

Agreed and I'm not interested in seeing white people get into a pissing contest on who's a racist. freshwest May 2015 #110

^^^^^^ THREAD WINNER ^^^^^^ If only we could rec posts. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #29

Bernie has been stressing 8 universal subjects. Implicit in several of them is the issue of race RufusTFirefly May 2015 #45

There should be no more "implicit", come out with the out front issues of the voting block and addre uponit7771 May 2015 #126

How do you separate wealth/income inequality from race? mythology May 2015 #71

They are related but not identical. DanTex May 2015 #91

Me being 21 times more likely to be shot by the police has NOTHING to do with income, it's my skin uponit7771 May 2015 #127

this is the bluntly obvious reality. i have said this repeatedly, no impact. i do not get it. same seabeyond May 2015 #150

The media has homganized the issue into "the cops wont murder your kids if your rich" and made the uponit7771 May 2015 #152

Not everything is real as a heart attack but NOTHING is bullshit. TheKentuckian May 2015 #184

Economic inequality is directly linked to race issues. If this country were to Exilednight May 2015 #74

people disagree on that statement you are making. seabeyond May 2015 #76

They can disagree all they want, but its the truth. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #79

a person can be economically comfortable, still experience social injustice. no, not fact. seabeyond May 2015 #83

Go back and read what I posted and stop trying to put words in my mouth. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #85

no. just cause you lost the argument, does not mean there is wiggle room out. you CLAIMED seabeyond May 2015 #92

There is no argument. There is only the truth, and I stayed the truth. Have the day you deserve. Exilednight May 2015 #106

Me being 21 times more likely to be shot by the police has NOTHING to do with income, it's my skin uponit7771 May 2015 #128

Not true. If you lived in a middle-class neighborhood, your chances would drastically Exilednight May 2015 #135

The guy shot in the back in the Walmart and the guy shot in the back in Utah lived in middle class uponit7771 May 2015 #145

You're either oversimplifying the problem, or you're being Exilednight May 2015 #155

You're not going to back up what you said with anything empirical doesn't mean I'm full of anything uponit7771 May 2015 #158

Which car would you rather be in? Exilednight May 2015 #162

Interesting statement about 'priorities' as economic and racial inequality are like conjoined twins azurnoir May 2015 #78

That's a plausible argument, but some people don't see it that way. DanTex May 2015 #86

as long as there is a gap in income based on race my point stands the same would be true of gender azurnoir May 2015 #102

Sure, but a lot of people don't see it that way. DanTex May 2015 #105

Link please azurnoir May 2015 #107

I'm STILL 21 more times likely to get shot by the police has NOTHING to do with money... that's the uponit7771 May 2015 #125

He did attend the black lives matter parade in NYC, IIRC. Willing to be corrected. n/t freshwest May 2015 #109

Its his first speech though. romanic May 2015 #122

That's true. DanTex May 2015 #130

+1 uponit7771 May 2015 #123

+1 uponit7771 May 2015 #124

all it is, is a demographic issue. i say we relax and see where he goes. it is just the start. nt seabeyond May 2015 #11

Actually I think what started it here was an OP about a poll sufrommich May 2015 #13

It's not an issue at all. peecoolyour May 2015 #15

It's a MORONIC cheap shot. MineralMan May 2015 #16

Every candidate has to talk about issues of racism, sexism, etc. gollygee May 2015 #17

Those who are trying to paint Bernie as a racist are most likely paid corporatist trolls. Zorra May 2015 #18

"trying to paint Bernie as a racist " that would be NO ONE. those trying to paint duers seabeyond May 2015 #19

The jury has your back 7-0. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #20

Thanks. Every genuine poster here knows the obvious: neither Bernie nor Hillary have Zorra May 2015 #24

Well, some have had to "evolve" BrotherIvan May 2015 #28

along with 'some' don't wait for the latest poll before talking the talk azurnoir May 2015 #103

Shh, don't talk about that! BrotherIvan May 2015 #104

No, not all of us. Some of us have not forgotten the racism in Hillary's 2008 campaign. ieoeja May 2015 #56

I agree with this. I never forget. bravenak May 2015 #108

Aw, that wasn't racism. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #159

Nobody is trying to paint him as a racist gollygee May 2015 #22

Yes they are. Sexist, too. Same old, same old accusations from a certain group of DUers. merrily May 2015 #132

No one has called him sexist either. n/t gollygee May 2015 #134

I don't believe that. Renew Deal May 2015 #23

You are entitled to your opinion. I can't think of any other reason why any sincere person would Zorra May 2015 #37

Straw man. I haven't seen DU'ers painted Sanders as a racist. Just inept at dealing with race KittyWampus May 2015 #31

Best to stop piling it on, the wagon is already overloaded with race baiting horseshit. nt Zorra May 2015 #40

Jury Results Jokerman May 2015 #57

You are popular, today! (Jury Results) Gore1FL May 2015 #60

"This, above all: To thine own self be true, Zorra May 2015 #98

Please link to these claims of Sanders being racist or stop putting horrid words in people's bettyellen May 2015 #47

A lot of cheap shots are made at others too treestar May 2015 #21

So? Governor Clinton had African Americans on his staff. FACT- Sanders and his campaign KittyWampus May 2015 #30

I stand by my original assessment of that kickoff. The optics were horrible for a "Democrat". Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #33

+1, omg yes... if that was an major corp and I was going in for a job interview I'd turn it down uponit7771 May 2015 #129

Sanders supporters must HATE Chris Hayes MohRokTah May 2015 #34

And maybe he will JustAnotherGen May 2015 #41

To be honest, I don''t think this point has any bearing on the GE WRT Sanders. MohRokTah May 2015 #43

IF he ignores it JustAnotherGen May 2015 #49

Or Jeb Bush, or Ted Cruz, or Santorum, or... BrotherIvan May 2015 #51

They just SUUUUUUUUUCK JustAnotherGen May 2015 #55

You said it BrotherIvan May 2015 #59

"The Problem that "insurgent" progressive Dem prez candidates tend to face is expanding their base Cha May 2015 #121

i still have one following along nipping at my heels, accusing me saying sanders is racist, cause i seabeyond May 2015 #146

They couldn't realize how Cha May 2015 #181

i think he would also, and i think he would have no issue to listening. i do not think he is weak. seabeyond May 2015 #182

I know, huh.. "coddled" is a good word for it. Cha May 2015 #183

+1 uponit7771 May 2015 #148

I have entered BIZARRO WORLD lookatme May 2015 #54

Right cause look at how Bernie expressed his concern workinclasszero May 2015 #58

If he came to my town (in California no less) it would be mostly white people too. Throd May 2015 #70

Wait until the "Bernie Sanders is a rape-fantasy-writing misogynist" meme makes it here. peecoolyour May 2015 #82

if we talk racism, we are calling him a racist. if we talk misogyny issues, we are calling him a seabeyond May 2015 #87

No, there are conservative bloggers who found something he wrote decades ago. peecoolyour May 2015 #96

This is the first I've heard of this accusation and I find it amusing. Vinca May 2015 #88

If I was to agree with the many post of Bernie being a racist, It would make me Thinkingabout May 2015 #90

All of their arguments are cheap shots AgingAmerican May 2015 #111

Lots of cheap shots Art_from_Ark May 2015 #114

Sure deflects from things like Goldman Sachs and TPP, doesn't it? merrily May 2015 #133

Yes. We've long known a certain candidate fights dirty. And now we're seeing it. n/t RufusTFirefly May 2015 #140

Yep. And, we've seen it before. merrily May 2015 #141

I agree, but do you agree all the cheap shots aimed at Hillary are the same too? B Calm May 2015 #142

I think some are fair and others are not Renew Deal May 2015 #160

pro sanders created the racism conversation when others were merely discussing social justice. seabeyond May 2015 #164

The "not good enough" post pretty much stated it. Renew Deal May 2015 #165

chris hayes said the same. is he calling sanders a racist? i have been told i repeatedly call sander seabeyond May 2015 #166

not good enough = evil racist? Lol, on what fucking planet? bettyellen May 2015 #170

Cheap shots are the only shots fadedrose May 2015 #144

It's "centrists" attempting to attack Sanders...from the Left. It's like your parents trying to be cool Romulox May 2015 #149

This is a subject fueled by his supporters, I am beginning they are trying to defend Bernie from Thinkingabout May 2015 #176

I don't even know where the hell this rumor started d_legendary1 May 2015 #177

I started seeing posts about this yesterday mostly by his supporters claimng he wasn't racist, like Thinkingabout May 2015 #179

Come to think of it I started seeing those posts yesterday too d_legendary1 May 2015 #180