The Bernie Sanders race argument is a cheap shot.

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153. I'm not sure where I was going there, I'm tired. And that OP was weird. The pics

seemed to have nothing to do with the article, which also didn't make sense.

Also, I am tired of listening to white people talking about black people like they know better.

I think I meant to say 'argument' instead of 'agreement' last night but I was tired. I try to grasp what each poster is really saying and I want there to be peace amongst DUers.

I've seen too many times in my life and I'm in my sixties, where middle class black families, professionals, union folks, etc. were nudged out of property, jobs, etc. by blatant theft and work by government and private forces by racism... Yes, it was economics in the end. But racism is what allowed it to happen and was a direct factor taken into account on who was to be spared and who was going to be shafted. We can have a circular argument on this here.

Racism is an underlying cancer that I don't see as having gone away, in fact the institutionalized violence against black men and women appears to be worse now because it's in the open. As Americans, we should have learned - but some people are running from it. Others are playing as if they don't know. Others say it doesn't exist or doesn't matter. It's still seen as business as usual and it never should have been.

And I have stated before Sanders announced his run that I will vote for him in the primary as my preferred choice. I get tired of terms like Hillbot just as I got tired of Obamabot. But around here, some people are acting like it's an article of faith like being Protestant or Catholic, and I don't play that game.

I accept no kudos as someone who jumped into my Bernie video thread to trash HRC when I said I was for Bernie. Suddenly he thought I was a member of he choir. It's this kind of thing is why I won't post in some threads or groups as if I need to pass a religious test. It's a big turn off. And I am sure that neither HRC or Bernie act anything like people at DU do - or they would not be worth a vote. If I wanted to vote for someone that acts as some do here, I'd be a bagger. it's low down and a turn off.

I post in the HRC group and found them to be friendly, but she was never my first choice. They know and accept that just as they know I have a foot in both sides. I don't have to pick one over the other, or love one and hate the other. We have not got a nominee yet.

The thought of a Bush, Cruz, Walker, etc. in the White House would be a victory for the billionaire class Bernie's running against. He's not running against one person, and this personality routine is a huge turnoff. Those who say they will not vote at all if HRC gets the nod, are not doing it to follow Bernie's lead, he knows the GOP is fully owned by the Koch brothers, etc. He sees the real enemy, and it is not HRC.

I am missing some good positive news because I am sick of pile on threads and use Ignore. Life is too short to argue with those who are negative all the time from any side of these arguments. They are not going to change a thing.

I've already talked privately with the OP author about being more clear, etc. I'm not sure what the post was about. I didn't see the pics at first, my browser didn't show them so I didn't get the entire incendiary effect that you must have seen.

There have been a number of people turned off by Bernie's supporters. Because of the attack mode. I put such people on Ignore. I do the same and or correct HRC supporters if I see them doing it. They don't answer me and if they keep it up, I put them on Ignore. I don't come here for this level of bull.

To the economics point, I believe that black people should be a legally protected minority since they were a legally abused minority since before the nation was founded. That the poverty is generational is no news to me, I'm not sure why it would be to anyone, and I've spoken of it in the past on this board.

But if the post you reacted to so strongly was wrong (I thought it was so utterly confusing I didn't know if it was wrong or right) it was also wrong for you to post an OP intimating that DUers were calling Bernie racist. No one in their right mind would say that.

I don't believe it's true of HRC, either, by the way. You don't get as far as they have with some provincial, petty bullcrap like that motivating one.

My favorite candidate would have been Van Jones. He'll never be given a chance and has moved on. Until then, Bernie is my man... I've always said that but don't want to be in the Bernie crowd here as some of the crowd is more 'anti-HRC' than pro-Bernie. Bernie is not, either, the ultra liberal savior some seem determined to wave in everyone's face.

For every vote that people like to pull out that HRC did wrong, I can pull out one that the same group would not like done by Bernie. It doesn't prove that he is unprincipled, an opportunist, or whatever perjoratives people want to apply to the person they don't like. He is pragmatic and about Jobs first. No matter what the jobs are, so long as they keep up a standard of living that people can feel free with

And it's the person some don't like, what I often see are people pulling up things to bolster their disdain. They are filtering and it says more about them than the person they are attacking.

Black people will be supporting whoever they choose, as they are not, any more than any other group a monolith. Nor are they a pawn to be used by white politicans to win elections and then discarded. The disaffection of black voters against political parties is real and it is justified.

I'll be voting for the Democrat no matter who it is, BTW. I can't afford to pretend I don't know what I know, about how the GOP intends to treat us.