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(88,863 posts)The early days spawned from the early days of bush/cheney. Those of us who knew the American people just got rolled, BIG-TIME, were online somewhere, maybe emailing a friend about how we felt, and had no idea there might be a support system out there, just waiting for us. OVER AND OVER I've heard "I thought I was the only one who felt this way" - in all its forms, and sometimes it's been said by ME, too. And we all could unite around our loathing of bush/cheney. Well, now we're squabbling and quibbling, with one from our side comfortably presiding in the White House. Now we're fighting amongst ourselves.
Hey guys - WE NEED TO UNITE (OR AT LEAST START AIMING THAT WAY) AND HERE'S WHY:
Another post here recently recalled the Democratic debacle in 1968, which I'm old enough to remember. We were in the middle of Vietnam, which was Topic A all over the Evening/Nightly News every evening. And the country was a roiling mess - what with the marches and protests, those were all over TV too, and violence at the Dem Convention in Chicago that year. Kent State was two years away. That was the year of two body-blow assassinations that were body-blows to the American heart - of Martin Luther King Jr., and Bobby Kennedy. The - if you will - "progressive alternative" of the day became Senator Eugene McCarthy, who opposed the Vietnam War. With RFK taken away from us, there arose an enthusiastic swell for McCarthy especially among younger voters. I'd be voting in the next Presidential election, but by 1968 I was becoming aware of stuff, however vaguely. The mainstream Dem candidate was Vice President Hubert Humphrey. He was saddled with LBJ's Vietnam and kinda felt like he couldn't actively denounce it, since he WAS LBJ's Vice President. Sticky situation for him, caught between loyalty for the guy whose second-in-command he still was and what approach to take to the war. He showed himself to be a loyal man. But the country was too torn up by the war to go for a guy still so tied to the war it had come to hate. It was as though he had - well, let's call it "LBJ-stench" all over him.
Not overtly making direct comparisons to leading players of today, although you can certainly interpret it that way. And I've already declared myself a Hillary supporter, although extremely impressed with, and loving, everything Bernie Sanders is saying. I've already declared I will be an enthusiastic Bernie Sanders supporter if he's the one who carries the day! I won't pout and go home and refuse to keep playing just because I want very badly to see command turned over to a woman for a change. There's a BOATLOAD of stuff Bernie Sanders is doing that I like. I know how ardently his supporters stand by him and I admire that tremendously. THAT fire in the belly is what propels campaigns to serious success - maybe even to going all the way. I still think Hillary's gonna be the one, though.
I am fearful for what I see of history maybe setting up to repeat itself. And I desperately do NOT WANT THAT!!!! We got set up for such hideous awfulness from this that we are STILL suffocating under it TODAY. In the NEXT CENTURY.
Cuz you know who we got when the Democratic Party was that divided over Presidential candidates, that year, and we divided our vote? NIXON.
We were so damaged as a political side that it took til 1976 to get the White House back, and then we only held it for one term. And who we got after THAT? reagan.
PLEASE NOTE: It's NOT that I'm insisting overtly on all Bernie Sanders people giving it up and coming over to the Hillary camp. I am absolutely not doing that. What I WOULD like to suggest is that both of our camps here address each other about the different candidate support/defense with less acrimony. PLEASE let's try to go a little easier on each other. To keep the White House, WE ALL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO TEAM UP TOGETHER IN A UNITED FRONT!!!!
We still have to be able to get along and team up toward the end. We can't afford to let history repeat itself. We can't afford another 1968.