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In reply to the discussion: They Dared Me to Post This... [View all]BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)208. How about those of us who are fighting for both?
Why is there such a division created on DU? I don't see it anywhere in real life, and maybe that's because my neighborhood is lower middle class black and brown people who DO want jobs and financial security and a safe place for their children to go to school. It's not a "priority" for you so it is not important to anyone? Because it is for many and effects children the most.
Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent. 45.8 percent of young black children (under age 6) live in poverty, compared to 14.5 percent of white children.
This is absolutely 100% unacceptable. Saying those children are not as poor as those in Africa is one of the cruelest statements I can think of. They are suffering too. There is no denying that economic oppression is a tool of racism. The problem of racism is multi faceted and must be addressed from ALL angles. I think a black person dying from lack of health care or food or housing is, in fact, more urgent than Oprah being followed in a store. Sorry, I do. And I can't believe that DU has chosen this line of reasoning. It makes this place look very uncaring and myopic.
Here is a more balanced line of reasoning that says it better than I can. I am not familiar with this particular writer.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2014/01/_5_important_black_issues_for_2014.1.html
The 2014 Black Agenda: 5 Things to Focus On
Reducing Violence in Black Communities Nationwide
Chicagos violence-plagued communities have received the most national attention, in part because of President Barack Obamas ties to the Windy City, but also due to its prolific number of murders. The latest victim was a 17-year-old pregnant teenager who died of a gunshot wound to the head. The miracle of this tragedy is that her baby survived. Local activists have done heroic work to stave off increased gun violence, efforts that have drawn the participation of national civil rights leaders such as Al Sharpton. Unfortunately, this has not been enough to stanch the bleeding. Obama must prioritize the issue of violence in Chicago and other predominately black, brown and poor communities, as the national crisis that it is.
Public School Should Help Black Children Fulfill the American Dream
The achievement gap between black and white students in America continues to grow. Too many black children attend overcrowded and underfunded public schools that are racially and economically segregated from mainstream America. Instead of learning to become critical thinkers and tomorrows leaders, our children are suspended from school at higher rates than their white counterparts, and introduced to the criminal justice system in elementary school. To be young, black and poor in America is to be confined to some of the nations most dangerous, violence-ridden and vulnerable spaces. 2014 marks the 60th anniversary of the landmark Brown v. Board of Education desegregation case. What instantly became a symbol of racial progress is slowly devolving into one of national shame.
Mass Incarceration of Nonviolent Drug Offenders Must End
Deteriorating public schools have become a feeder system into the nations prison-industrial complex. The drug wars of the 80s turned poor black neighborhoods, including public schools, into incubators of racial injustice and oppression. The social, political and economic stigma attached to felony drug convictions has been defined by legal scholar Michelle Alexander as The New Jim Crow, a new caste system that contains striking parallels with the separate and unequal regimes of racial injustice constructed in slaverys aftermath. Mass incarceration is the civil rights issue of the 21st century, and the black community should utilize this year, which is the 50th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, to push to end a system that discredits our democracy.
Renewing the American Dream for African Americans Requires a Bold Jobs Program, Especially in Inner Cities
Problems of violence, education and mass incarceration are intimately linked to black Americas jobs crisis. The unemployment rate for blacks is double that of whites, but in many poor communities the disparities are even more staggering. Chronic unemployment and underemployment fractures families and neighborhoods and chokes off hope. Now is the time for civil rights activists, community leaders, elected officials and, yes, President Obama to focus on a national and targeted jobs program. Obama can start by issuing an executive order to raise the minimum wage for employees doing work related to federal projects.
Chicagos violence-plagued communities have received the most national attention, in part because of President Barack Obamas ties to the Windy City, but also due to its prolific number of murders. The latest victim was a 17-year-old pregnant teenager who died of a gunshot wound to the head. The miracle of this tragedy is that her baby survived. Local activists have done heroic work to stave off increased gun violence, efforts that have drawn the participation of national civil rights leaders such as Al Sharpton. Unfortunately, this has not been enough to stanch the bleeding. Obama must prioritize the issue of violence in Chicago and other predominately black, brown and poor communities, as the national crisis that it is.
Public School Should Help Black Children Fulfill the American Dream
The achievement gap between black and white students in America continues to grow. Too many black children attend overcrowded and underfunded public schools that are racially and economically segregated from mainstream America. Instead of learning to become critical thinkers and tomorrows leaders, our children are suspended from school at higher rates than their white counterparts, and introduced to the criminal justice system in elementary school. To be young, black and poor in America is to be confined to some of the nations most dangerous, violence-ridden and vulnerable spaces. 2014 marks the 60th anniversary of the landmark Brown v. Board of Education desegregation case. What instantly became a symbol of racial progress is slowly devolving into one of national shame.
Mass Incarceration of Nonviolent Drug Offenders Must End
Deteriorating public schools have become a feeder system into the nations prison-industrial complex. The drug wars of the 80s turned poor black neighborhoods, including public schools, into incubators of racial injustice and oppression. The social, political and economic stigma attached to felony drug convictions has been defined by legal scholar Michelle Alexander as The New Jim Crow, a new caste system that contains striking parallels with the separate and unequal regimes of racial injustice constructed in slaverys aftermath. Mass incarceration is the civil rights issue of the 21st century, and the black community should utilize this year, which is the 50th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, to push to end a system that discredits our democracy.
Renewing the American Dream for African Americans Requires a Bold Jobs Program, Especially in Inner Cities
Problems of violence, education and mass incarceration are intimately linked to black Americas jobs crisis. The unemployment rate for blacks is double that of whites, but in many poor communities the disparities are even more staggering. Chronic unemployment and underemployment fractures families and neighborhoods and chokes off hope. Now is the time for civil rights activists, community leaders, elected officials and, yes, President Obama to focus on a national and targeted jobs program. Obama can start by issuing an executive order to raise the minimum wage for employees doing work related to federal projects.
ETA: I think the violence that needs to be addressed in the first point is actually police violence first and foremost. I disagree with the phrasing by the author. But this was written in Jan. 2014
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Some times things are not what they seem. Once was setting on a small bench at the mall and a
jwirr
Jun 2015
#59
Yes, that happens here on the reservation also. To some in the community we are all bad period. I
jwirr
Jun 2015
#67
This is very true. I truly believe the only way to change this is with education.
raouldukelives
Jun 2015
#98
There are rich POC who don't get treated any different than Trayvon or Brown or Garnet
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#252
If they are indivisible, why have we spent the last couple of years hearing about
BainsBane
Jun 2015
#356
Hey, I am a white guy and I know better about Black people and issues than you Black people
randys1
Jun 2015
#183
I get lectured by both the white and the well off, neither cares what I have to say.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2015
#338
Particularly when people at the bottom are hurting, racism is a useful wedge issue for Fox News
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#277
It won't be acknowledged by some, but I appreciate your presence in this thread.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2015
#376
The tea party recruited racists, but it's founders and financial backers have remained the same
mountain grammy
Jun 2015
#44
And poverty gives the Rs "evidence" that they should cut programs that help to alleviate poverty.
jwirr
Jun 2015
#64
I really think that racial injustice is the main cause of economic injustice.
mountain grammy
Jun 2015
#60
I am going to rec. based on your insightful responses. You got it damned straight!
lonestarnot
Jun 2015
#43
No one said poverty wasn't an issue just it doesn't matter how much money is make PDs like Fergusons
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#256
No, just don't conflate getting rid of those 100% will end male POC being 21 time more likely to be
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#257
"So there it is. Addressing economic injustice does not help black people who are part of the 1%"
carolinayellowdog
Jun 2015
#9
Liberal Democrats cannot be counted on to champion the cause of racial injustice.
Ichingcarpenter
Jun 2015
#11
I haven't seen that. If anything it's an argument that both are equally important
riderinthestorm
Jun 2015
#89
I would point to Elizabeth Warren whose locked in a battle with Wall St
riderinthestorm
Jun 2015
#96
Yes it does. What it doesn't do is reduce the difference to zero with a white person of the same
TheKentuckian
Jun 2015
#355
That's just bullshit. I was referring to her thoughts, not that she's fabricating things
riderinthestorm
Jun 2015
#144
Exactly, 1Strong.. sad the way they play the victim card and insist they're being called "racists"
Cha
Jun 2015
#240
Becoming the kind of nation that consistently creates a net increase in economic justice...
Orsino
Jun 2015
#273
"And sorry, but saying that poverty isn't a big deal in the U.S. is a a horrifying claim. And false"
NCTraveler
Jun 2015
#28
"I wonder if they only like poor black people?" How much shit have the black posters on this site
Number23
Jun 2015
#232
I've lived in a few countries and no matter where I go, I am STILL BLACK. I always will be.
Number23
Jun 2015
#237
I hope everyone gives that OP and that particular poster the attention they so rightfully deserve
Number23
Jun 2015
#228
Who would treat their workers right, if they don't have to treat them like human beings first?
Rex
Jun 2015
#33
^ women are also part of that equation. Economic injustice is gendered as well as racial.
BlancheSplanchnik
Jun 2015
#50
In a society where money is political speech, it seems obvious that the impoverished will be
Ed Suspicious
Jun 2015
#91
One should not conflate championing economic injustice, as downplaying racial injustice.
Glassunion
Jun 2015
#56
The Koch Brothers Gave $25 Million to the United Negro College Fund Last Year
JustAnotherGen
Jun 2015
#85
Tell me ... How does economic injustice affect MY expressing racial injustices? ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2015
#121
Please don't exhibit your mis-understanding of Dr. MLK to me. Thank you. ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2015
#153
I still do not see what they see - how do you get economic justice without basic civil rights first?
Rex
Jun 2015
#158
No sadly a living wage is not a basic civil right, otherwise we would have one right?
Rex
Jun 2015
#166
There used to not be any amendments. Amendments enumerate rights not create them.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2015
#359
That's because those who are being hurt are being used, and talk about economic equality would
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#349
Most white folk aren't talking about it at all, whether 1% or the rest. If it was just 1%, only
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#352
Males of Color are 21 times more likely to be shot by police even though whites have more guns per
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#248
Yeah. Rather than tweaking these situations, economic justice would likely have prevented them...
Orsino
Jun 2015
#190
But we will never know, as an "economically just" world is so ill-defined ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jun 2015
#211
Sigh, there are rich POC who are treated no different than Trayvon or Brown or Garner ...
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#250
But what if we define economic justice more broadly than simple income equality?
Act_of_Reparation
Jun 2015
#172
You wish to divide us? Okay, go with that then. See if that furthers your cause.
Enthusiast
Jun 2015
#206
Thank you so much for taking "the dare". Getting them to understand that the two are not the same..
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2015
#207
If the OP wanted to make her point without the swipe at lower class people of color
BrotherIvan
Jun 2015
#251
"Liberal Democrats cannot be counted on to champion the cause of racial injustice."
Number23
Jun 2015
#223
You posted that 4 times but you don't seem to even bother to read the OP you respond to. What does
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#283
Bernie Sanders was a SNCC organizer back when SNCC organizers were being
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#274
OP didn't mention any candidate first of all. Second, Joe Lieberman marched with MLK
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#280
Ah, at least I know what you are talking about now. Except that's not what happened at all
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#285
We all know how you work. You try to bait people into doing or saying something
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#286
If that's true, complain to admins. But they have already said no one has done that
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#289
And of course it's no coincidence that these people had issues with me before this
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#323
No unbiased person would. They have an agenda and are mischaracterizing my post to serve it. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#343
Only folks who fight with me all the time about issues and candidates, like you, see it your way.
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#335
He did a ROFL when she stated immediately above that she lost her child. As Bonobo put it, he's
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#305
He was responding to a post where she claimed she had lost her own child. With
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#312
Bonobo? I have that poster on ignore for years now. They are still following me around attacking me?
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#362
I am so surprised a poster who has had issues with me for years decides to believe this incorrect
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#292
I really don't give a fuck. He should have been banned for that shit, since what he did
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#293
No he wasn't addressing her personal issues. Sorry but you are reaching here.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#295
See, in the Hillary-verse, it's perfectly OK to laugh at the death of a child or to
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#306
oh lord! I can see what you are doing and i am not going to bother trying to convince you.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#310
Yep, it's obvious. These folks have been at me for years and now are inventing something
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#325
Spell out what you think he did. You are making this accusation then back it up.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#299
So now we see the real issue. Bernie supporters are upset that SKP was banned and want blood from
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#337
I think we can have an honest disagreement about that. But the attempt at retribution at me for it
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#340
It looks to me you are purposely misreading his post. Very dishonest on your part.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#297
Yes it is dishonest. It speaks to how weak they believe their positions are that they resort to this
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#334
I can't believe you came into this thread of ALL THREADS with this petty bullshit
Number23
Jun 2015
#360
Some folks don't realize when they try to attack other people they are in fact saying
stevenleser
Jun 2015
#361
Not ahistorical shit. It's one thing to march up and down the street, it's another to let
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#350
Overt and unconscious racism and sexism are the reasions why peole of color
Agnosticsherbet
Jun 2015
#307
K&R. There's a "joke" by a black comedian (whose name is escaping me...)...
YoungDemCA
Jun 2015
#313
I don't believe anyone is saying that economic justice will fix social injustices.
cui bono
Jun 2015
#364