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NuclearDem

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17. I guess some people aren't able to distinguish between

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:41 PM

Jun 2015

Jenner's transition and the Kardashian clan.

Here I thought we would be able to talk about Jenner, one of the most public transgender individuals in the world, in the context of trans* rights and acceptance, without invoking the Kardashians every fucking time, even with the divorce and the knowledge that Jenner had been considering transitioning well before she ever met that family making them irrelevant as far as the transition is concerned to all except the usual suspects looking for an excuse.

I would also hope we'd be able to discuss her without drawing any comparison whatsoever to a family that enabled a child molestor and pushed a blatantly misogynist worldview through their show.

I even thought that all of this nonsense makes this discussion about trans* rights all the more important.

But, hey, I guess that's all asking too fucking much.

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Caitlyn Jenner and the Duggers have something significant in common [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

Again we agree malaise Jun 2015 #1

So true mainstreetonce Jun 2015 #2

Republican media whores. undeterred Jun 2015 #3

Throw her in what? I'll do it. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #4

Pigpen? hifiguy Jun 2015 #6

Let's not forget the meat grinder scenario in "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair ... Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #7

That reminded me of this deathless moment hifiguy Jun 2015 #11

Your post was alerted on, and here are the results: CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2015 #35

Are terms like "corporate whore" and "media whore" offensive? snooper2 Jun 2015 #41

Blammo. hifiguy Jun 2015 #5

oh god do I ever agree CrawlingChaos Jun 2015 #8

did this all start with The Real World ? olddots Jun 2015 #9

real world is still around.New group of young people filmed in New city each year Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #16

These republicans are Different in one very important wat Sheepshank Jun 2015 #10

oh come on. both have been celebrated and vilified but Jenner has cali Jun 2015 #13

Point. nt cwydro Jun 2015 #37

For what it's worth, Straight American culture had the opportunity to come to terms with Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #12

i a, trying to avoid realitee BS. jenner+kardashian. NO WANT! pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #14

Ms. Jennings awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #15

I guess some people aren't able to distinguish between NuclearDem Jun 2015 #17

sorry, it's first and foremost a commercial enterprise cali Jun 2015 #18

Crass money grubbing materialism is a *celebration* to some people, hell a lot of people Fumesucker Jun 2015 #19

So Ms. Jenner underwent irreversible HRT and multiple surgeries just to start a new reality show? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #27

nope didn't say that. but she is undeniably going to benefit financially cali Jun 2015 #30

Thanks for making my point. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #28

+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #26

Not to mention that they're both Republicans. Exilednight Jun 2015 #20

by all means, let's ignore all the positive that comes from the Jenner situation Blue_Adept Jun 2015 #21

we have yet to see whether any good will come from it. cali Jun 2015 #22

Then you're not paying attention Blue_Adept Jun 2015 #23

I grant you that I don't pay much attention to social media cali Jun 2015 #24

Good is coming from it. The conversation has started about the humanity MH1 Jun 2015 #25

You don't need a brainless reality show to make this a good thing. The greed makes the reality... Logical Jun 2015 #29

Well said. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #38

My Transgender Son would be heartbroken by the lack of empathy that is the foundation of this thread cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #31

Nothing like comparing the most public transgender women in the world NuclearDem Jun 2015 #32

I know, right? Even better; do it with glee and pat each other on the back over it. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #33

For some, I don't think there will ever be an acceptable transgender public figure. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #34

I don't think you understand what this means to trans people. DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #36

I was just going to say they don't understand what this means to people in the trans community herding cats Jun 2015 #39

Agreed. What a terrible thing to say. Fearless Jun 2015 #40

This is incredibly insulting... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #42