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djean111

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12. People - displaced IT workers - cannot afford the lawyers. And the deck is stacked.

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:18 AM

Jun 2015

Somewhere out on YouTube, there is a film that corporations use that teaches them how to successfully get around all that inconvenient department of labor stuff.
Are you seriously saying that Disney needed to replace their entire IT department because of anything but money issues?
Oh, and my big telecom company has outsourced most of its IT work, and brought in H-1B visas on top of that. Because it save them money. I got a contract working there, after my original job was sent to Mumbai. Went through a very pissed-off contracting firm that my (Indian) manager told me to use - he pre-approved me because he liked my work - and yeah, the hourly wage was $20 below what that job used to pay, and they could get rid of you at any time. And some of the H-1B visa guys I worked with were really smart, and some should never have been in IT, couldn't understand the product (DSL) even with charts and repeated explanations, and the concept of creating test data and plans was beyond them.

And, while I am at it - I have seen racism flung around. As if Americans would have been thrilled to hand their jobs over to Italians or Swiss or Brazilian or Danish people. That's just a stupid stupid thing to accuse people of. Think it through.

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The worst H1-b visa story I've heard so far... [View all] TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 OP

. Wilms Jun 2015 #1

Who supported more H-1Bs? davidn3600 Jun 2015 #2

H1-B is a complicated issue clayton72 Jun 2015 #3

Most of those points were made in the story... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #4

Not that complicated really. TM99 Jun 2015 #5

Bingo! There are an awful lot of highly qualified folks in engineering & SW engineering who get peacebird Jun 2015 #28

Oh, yes, I am sure the Disney employees would have been thrilled as fuck to train, say, Germans or djean111 Jun 2015 #9

Your point 6 is dead wrong GummyBearz Jun 2015 #16

For lower pay I am sure... Greedy corporate moFos. peacebird Jun 2015 #29

It sure is. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #38

The current employees were obviously bright enough to do the job TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #17

Young people need STEAM, not STEM FrodosPet Jun 2015 #26

H-1B AND H-2B visas are ways to "legalize" hiring indentured servants... cascadiance Jun 2015 #34

"Cheap" as in "importing cheap labor" is not a race. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #44

And a lot of them are getting graduate degrees here as they are given free BA's in their country... cascadiance Jun 2015 #54

+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #59

Did you even read the goddamned article in the OP you replied to? X_Digger Jun 2015 #47

Yet another US Chamber of Commerce PR flack brentspeak Jun 2015 #52

These are always untrue stories treestar Jun 2015 #6

That's incredibly naive. Scuba Jun 2015 #7

No it is informed treestar Jun 2015 #8

It is not reality. Not in the least. djean111 Jun 2015 #10

It is. People would only have to have the Department of Labor treestar Jun 2015 #11

People - displaced IT workers - cannot afford the lawyers. And the deck is stacked. djean111 Jun 2015 #12

Excuses, excuses treestar Jun 2015 #13

LOL. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #19

The real problem gd770226 Jun 2015 #23

That sucks GummyBearz Jun 2015 #33

Furthermore, based on the experience of someone I Ilsa Jun 2015 #53

And you really think our corporate owned government will do anything? Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #32

get a grip - you don't know if you haven't worked there - hollysmom Jun 2015 #55

Well, class action lawsuits have been "redirected" or thrown out by this SCOTUS... cascadiance Jun 2015 #57

See this recent DU OP and #15 Re the NYT, June 2015 article stating lower payment appalachiablue Jun 2015 #15

I can do one better... Chan790 Jun 2015 #21

So, a for-profit company is spending MORE money TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #18

They let go a senior engineer, hire a junior H1B to do the job at lower pay peacebird Jun 2015 #30

So the 250 employees who got laid off did not loose this jobs? Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #31

You obviously haven't worked in the field like many of us here have... cascadiance Jun 2015 #35

The TPP will depress wages globally. The Race to the Bottom= Corporate Heaven. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #65

The DOL says otherwise. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #37

treestar, unfortunately you are wrong. This actually happens. pnwmom Jun 2015 #42

Bwaahahaha! *takes a breath* Ahahahahahahahhaa! X_Digger Jun 2015 #48

White collar workers..... quickesst Jun 2015 #14

Agreed. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #20

+1 n/t Chan790 Jun 2015 #22

I gotta say that watching the dueling agendas around here is what keeps me clicking Fumesucker Jun 2015 #24

don't get me wrong... quickesst Jun 2015 #25

Here's what's not so funny. pnwmom Jun 2015 #43

I have several grandchildren and I worry about them Fumesucker Jun 2015 #45

My daughter is 13 AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #46

This is what we've told our kids. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #63

The smart kids we want in STEM, AVOID STEM degrees, because they know the system is rigged! cascadiance Jun 2015 #64

+1 AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #40

So then we can get outsourced for even LOWER paid workers with the equally crappy H-2B visa program! cascadiance Jun 2015 #60

only when qualified American workers can't be found right? TheFarseer Jun 2015 #27

Cost savings. What else drives American business? AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #39

How are job add like this legal? gd770226 Jun 2015 #36

I think that's a pretty common arrangement. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #41

Non-compete contracts should be null and void TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #49

I agree. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #50

H1-Bs need to simply end. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #51

not quite, just prosecute those misuing it. hollysmom Jun 2015 #56

I have no problem with wanting to hire the best people. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #58

Yep! Many H-1B workers don't like the way this program works either... cascadiance Jun 2015 #61

It's basically become slave labor. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #62