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cascadiance

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34. H-1B AND H-2B visas are ways to "legalize" hiring indentured servants...
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jun 2015

... instead of having employers do it illegally the way they've done with unskilled workers for so many years when hiring undocumented workers. And the government's ag subsidies has a double purpose of allowing American ag companies to dump under priced food exports in to south america to force many down there out of work and to sell off their farms because they can't compete against underpriced goods, and subsequently they have to come up here to get work then.

#4 should be corrected to say:
We want the world's best and brightest in our country to work and be paid accordingly to maintain the lead that Silicon Valley had over the rest of the world in employing them for so many years when the tech boom started. The H1-B (and H-2B) is a secret weapon for wealthy bosses and company owners to lower their labor costs GLOBALLY and redistribute the companies profits from added productivity to themselves instead of those who helped produce these products and services. It keeps workers away from their families in other countries, and has money shipped out of the economy where it is being earned instead of infusing economic growth in that (OUR) economy. Ultimately TEMPORARY workers from H-1B will help build the intellectual infrastructure of newer high tech capitals like Bangalore instead of building up the intellectual capital of Silicon Valley as people return home from their TEMPORARY H-1B Visa jobs here.

#5 Add to the end that:
H-1B and H-2B jobs are TEMPORARY and don't accomplish this goal, and that we should emphasize different immigration mechanisms for these workers that provides them the ability to compete on an equal playing field for jobs here, and ENCOURAGES them to become American citizens the way our country has traditionally welcomed immigrants.

#6 should be corrected to say:
Smart American kids going to college here realize that the cost of college is so high now here, AND the liklihood that high tech jobs from a tech education will be either outsourced through free trade deal expansion, or be less available or underpaid due to H-1B programs, and choose intelligently instead to seek careers that are more rewarding and less apt to be outsourced in these fashions in fields such as law and in some forms of medical care (NOT radiology). If you want kids to pursue high tech careers, it is not enough to just make education cheaper (Indian nationals get bachelor degree educations for FREE there), but to also ensure that their jobs won't be outsourced to lower paid H-1B workers or jobs on foreign soil when free trade allows such "race to the bottom" exploitation.

Add #7:
Items 1-3 are not helped AT ALL by outsourcing through free trade deals, or by expanding H-1B or H-2B programs, and don't belong in any kind of justification for these kinds of programs.

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. Wilms Jun 2015 #1
Who supported more H-1Bs? davidn3600 Jun 2015 #2
H1-B is a complicated issue clayton72 Jun 2015 #3
Most of those points were made in the story... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #4
Not that complicated really. TM99 Jun 2015 #5
Bingo! There are an awful lot of highly qualified folks in engineering & SW engineering who get peacebird Jun 2015 #28
Oh, yes, I am sure the Disney employees would have been thrilled as fuck to train, say, Germans or djean111 Jun 2015 #9
Your point 6 is dead wrong GummyBearz Jun 2015 #16
For lower pay I am sure... Greedy corporate moFos. peacebird Jun 2015 #29
It sure is. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #38
The current employees were obviously bright enough to do the job TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #17
Young people need STEAM, not STEM FrodosPet Jun 2015 #26
H-1B AND H-2B visas are ways to "legalize" hiring indentured servants... cascadiance Jun 2015 #34
"Cheap" as in "importing cheap labor" is not a race. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #44
And a lot of them are getting graduate degrees here as they are given free BA's in their country... cascadiance Jun 2015 #54
+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #59
Did you even read the goddamned article in the OP you replied to? X_Digger Jun 2015 #47
Yet another US Chamber of Commerce PR flack brentspeak Jun 2015 #52
These are always untrue stories treestar Jun 2015 #6
That's incredibly naive. Scuba Jun 2015 #7
No it is informed treestar Jun 2015 #8
It is not reality. Not in the least. djean111 Jun 2015 #10
It is. People would only have to have the Department of Labor treestar Jun 2015 #11
People - displaced IT workers - cannot afford the lawyers. And the deck is stacked. djean111 Jun 2015 #12
Excuses, excuses treestar Jun 2015 #13
LOL. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #19
The real problem gd770226 Jun 2015 #23
That sucks GummyBearz Jun 2015 #33
Furthermore, based on the experience of someone I Ilsa Jun 2015 #53
And you really think our corporate owned government will do anything? Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #32
get a grip - you don't know if you haven't worked there - hollysmom Jun 2015 #55
Well, class action lawsuits have been "redirected" or thrown out by this SCOTUS... cascadiance Jun 2015 #57
See this recent DU OP and #15 Re the NYT, June 2015 article stating lower payment appalachiablue Jun 2015 #15
I can do one better... Chan790 Jun 2015 #21
So, a for-profit company is spending MORE money TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #18
They let go a senior engineer, hire a junior H1B to do the job at lower pay peacebird Jun 2015 #30
So the 250 employees who got laid off did not loose this jobs? Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #31
You obviously haven't worked in the field like many of us here have... cascadiance Jun 2015 #35
The TPP will depress wages globally. The Race to the Bottom= Corporate Heaven. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #65
The DOL says otherwise. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #37
treestar, unfortunately you are wrong. This actually happens. pnwmom Jun 2015 #42
Bwaahahaha! *takes a breath* Ahahahahahahahhaa! X_Digger Jun 2015 #48
White collar workers..... quickesst Jun 2015 #14
Agreed. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #20
+1 n/t Chan790 Jun 2015 #22
I gotta say that watching the dueling agendas around here is what keeps me clicking Fumesucker Jun 2015 #24
don't get me wrong... quickesst Jun 2015 #25
Here's what's not so funny. pnwmom Jun 2015 #43
I have several grandchildren and I worry about them Fumesucker Jun 2015 #45
My daughter is 13 AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #46
This is what we've told our kids. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #63
The smart kids we want in STEM, AVOID STEM degrees, because they know the system is rigged! cascadiance Jun 2015 #64
+1 AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #40
So then we can get outsourced for even LOWER paid workers with the equally crappy H-2B visa program! cascadiance Jun 2015 #60
only when qualified American workers can't be found right? TheFarseer Jun 2015 #27
Cost savings. What else drives American business? AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #39
How are job add like this legal? gd770226 Jun 2015 #36
I think that's a pretty common arrangement. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #41
Non-compete contracts should be null and void TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #49
I agree. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #50
H1-Bs need to simply end. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #51
not quite, just prosecute those misuing it. hollysmom Jun 2015 #56
I have no problem with wanting to hire the best people. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #58
Yep! Many H-1B workers don't like the way this program works either... cascadiance Jun 2015 #61
It's basically become slave labor. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #62
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