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63. why bother? he knows he's lying. he served with Bernie for 17 years.

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:23 PM

Jun 2015

He's a member of the Progressive Caucus which Bernie co-founded. Bernie has an excellent record on immigration issues and either Gutierrez is a total idiot, suffering from memory loss, or he's lying.

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House Dem: I'm not sure Bernie Sanders likes immigrants [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 OP

"Guti�rrez, who is backing Hillary Clinton for president" arcane1 Jun 2015 #1

Considering Vermont is a border state to Canada.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #5

Guti�rrez even supported Rahm Emanuel instead of Chuy Garcia in the last mayoral Zorra Jun 2015 #46

so did most of the Democratic voters. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #54

Not the hispanic Democrats. Gutierrez sold them out. nt Zorra Jun 2015 #68

NOT Hispanic progressive Democrats, which Gutierrez supposedly is. merrily Jun 2015 #114

The omission of that little fact from the OP hifiguy Jun 2015 #85

there was no omission.It's right there in the OP JI7 Jun 2015 #88

"I'm not sure of his name -- who is it again? -- but I sure am sure of his positions!" villager Jun 2015 #2

Wasn't he from, umm, what state was it? What party? Uh... nt Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #17

I'm not sure of his name...but, hey, he did get the talking point! HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #95

Funny that a member of the Progressive Caucus could not remember the name of the merrily Jun 2015 #115

"he doesn�t seem to talk about immigrants" KamaAina Jun 2015 #3

VT...96% Caucasian and full of immigrants... Chan790 Jun 2015 #39

actually Burlington has a sizable immigrant minority community cali Jun 2015 #71

Nevertheless...the majority of immigrants to CT, VT, NH, ME, MA, RI are Caucasian. Chan790 Jun 2015 #78

Not MA. MADem Jun 2015 #99

"whether there is" ?? karynnj Jun 2015 #122

What does that have to with where Bernie stands on immigration? Do you know where he stands btw? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #135

sabrina, all irrelevant to the point I was making... Chan790 Jun 2015 #162

Thank you for explaining what you meant. I misunderstood obviously. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #165

Uh, no... There has been a large exodus of Caucasian immigrants OUT OF Northern NE. PotatoChip Jun 2015 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Jun 2015 #180

We don't know that no immigrants were at his launch. We know only what merrily Jun 2015 #125

Classy. smokey nj Jun 2015 #4

I see Robbins Jun 2015 #6

We have intimations about blacks, the blatant "Jewish connection," now immigrants. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #20

It's amazing how fast it was that the counter-attacks became so sleazy... villager Jun 2015 #28

while we may not be happy with obama lately Robbins Jun 2015 #37

Hence the preemptive strikes: discredit him BEFORE anyone else hears him arcane1 Jun 2015 #42

I loved the title of Will Pitt's article, taken from an actual Clinton memo I believe? Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #174

Is it though? Haven't we seen this movie before? merrily Jun 2015 #121

Gay marriage should be next - TBF Jun 2015 #103

The Rehm broadcast was a worthless freebie for the Right... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #170

.... merrily Jun 2015 #118

The ability of the Far Right to work the MSM regarding harebrained charges is cemented: Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #171

Not many consider the Hillary campaign to be the far right. Or wacko. merrily Jun 2015 #172

Insurance? Habit? merrily Jun 2015 #117

hmm Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #175

I suspect her surrogates will be apologizing a lot, just like last time. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #7

I'm sorry but Hillary doesn't have much madokie Jun 2015 #11

Keith Olbermann commented on this in 2008. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #25

that's our Hillary, champion for... Hillary cali Jun 2015 #30

Exactly. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #34

right on Robbins Jun 2015 #38

Yes he did. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #76

Yep. He had warned them, too. One more time and I'll endorse him. merrily Jun 2015 #120

At this time, Sanders is her opponent. goldent Jun 2015 #97

Racism, anti-Semitism and falsehoods about fellow Dems have not been part of every merrily Jun 2015 #123

Only the ones Hillary has been running in Fumesucker Jun 2015 #144

Which is why the false attacks on Bernie about minorities--of which he is one, btw--are merrily Jun 2015 #146

Maybe not every primary (e.g. when we have a popular incumbent) goldent Jun 2015 #163

No. Mudslinging--who had an affair, a breakdown, is very different from racism and anti-Semitism. merrily Jun 2015 #168

fail. smearing is Clinton special sauce cali Jun 2015 #126

Is it a warm purple sauce? n/t Scootaloo Jun 2015 #148

+1 Marr Jun 2015 #166

well that's an ugly bit of lying crap from a Clinton supporter. cali Jun 2015 #8

And they're sinking this low already. bunnies Jun 2015 #12

The thing about this type of attack is it makes the person making the attack look worse than the smokey nj Jun 2015 #15

Totally. I was just wondering if Luis Whatshisname realized... bunnies Jun 2015 #19

yeah, but Hillary has plausible deniability and this damn well does hurt bernie cali Jun 2015 #24

She has deniability. I wouldn't call it plausible. We've seen this movie before. n/t winter is coming Jun 2015 #116

it's cowardly and disgusting. Hillary will either ignore him or continue to say cali Jun 2015 #18

Yep. Here comes the new campaign same as the old campaign. nt bunnies Jun 2015 #21

I am beginning to understand just how clueless some are about Bernie Sanders. Rex Jun 2015 #9

He's not clueless at all. He's doing Hillary's dirty work cali Jun 2015 #27

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #33

...^ that 840high Jun 2015 #94

Willful cluelessness in this case ... nt TBF Jun 2015 #102

Totally. nt Rex Jun 2015 #109

Not only the same building. Please see Reply 115. merrily Jun 2015 #124

Race-baiting and red-baiting all in the same place Prism Jun 2015 #10

I'm sure the OP is aware this reflects terrribly on Hillary's camp.... Fumesucker Jun 2015 #13

We have excessive evidence, compiled over many many posts LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #66

Yup Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #70

Can you believe this shit!? Rex Jun 2015 #23

of course I can believe it. her last campaign did the same unethical, ugly crap cali Jun 2015 #29

I skipped out on the primaries in 2008, just decided not to come here. Rex Jun 2015 #145

Disappointing the hell out of me... randys1 Jun 2015 #101

Sure. We've seen it all before. merrily Jun 2015 #137

It is hard to understand how Gutierrez forgot who Bernie Sanders is. Rex Jun 2015 #139

Studies have been done on misinformation. merrily Jun 2015 #142

Thanks for calling it like it is, Prism. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #77

bernie's record on immigration cali Jun 2015 #14

So wait, he doesn't know who he is, but he slips in that he is a 'socialist' and then that 'he sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #16

Why do you have to be so clinically logical about it. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #22

Lol, I do have to say that while I'm not too familiar with HIM, I have seen far more clever sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #57

This is just the beginning, but silver lining Rex Jun 2015 #26

"And we will call them out each and every time they do." Damn right we will! arcane1 Jun 2015 #31

Yes, compared to Bernie who is out every day just talking about ISSUES, while these little worms sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #129

Gutierrez has zero cred on this. merrily Jun 2015 #127

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." NightWatcher Jun 2015 #32

And so the smears begin. Not like it is out of character or unexpected, though. djean111 Jun 2015 #35

I thought they began with the dual citizenship claim, reminiscent of 2008. merrily Jun 2015 #128

You are right, I meant in general. I think conflating Bernie with that picture of djean111 Jun 2015 #153

Gee, I missed that photo. merrily Jun 2015 #156

Oh, it was used when a blogger was upset because of all the white faces at Bernie's djean111 Jun 2015 #160

Thanks. Yuck. merrily Jun 2015 #169

He hasn't said jackshit about my dachshund either. Guess that means he hate Germans. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #36

What a jag off... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #40

just another charming Hillary surrogate smearing away. cali Jun 2015 #41

Yup. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #43

I know, right? A child would have acted that out better. He's a very bad actor, they need to get sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #130

A chld wouldn't have been pillaging the liquor cabinet before an interview Scootaloo Jun 2015 #149

Maybe he learned that from Boehner? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #154

I'm not sure whether Hillary Clinton likes H-2B slave labor. She likes H-1B slave labor! cascadiance Jun 2015 #44

H-1B workers... quickesst Jun 2015 #83

That is why I also noted H-2B workers too... cascadiance Jun 2015 #87

I get that... quickesst Jun 2015 #105

Oh no. I know you have the bright idea too... cascadiance Jun 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #91

gutierrez is Hillary's attack dog. Sanders needs to get someone to do the same JI7 Jun 2015 #45

no. just know. but he could come out with a statement in response and also deplore cali Jun 2015 #48

it won't do much. he needs someone like axelrod and plouffe JI7 Jun 2015 #53

That is one piss poor attack dog, IMO LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #67

Well, one of her attack dogs, anyway. If Sanders stooped that low, I'd be disappointed. merrily Jun 2015 #131

Attack dog, huh? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #152

So, "Bernie Sanders is a racist" is the new anti-Bernie tactic? Oneironaut Jun 2015 #47

Wow, this is good for goose good for gander treatment. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #49

Big difference: Sanders actually discusses immigration n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #51

I haven't heard him at all about immigration MohRokTah Jun 2015 #52

Then it never happened? arcane1 Jun 2015 #55

I'm just not as concerned about it. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #61

He's a lying little toady. he damn well knows cali Jun 2015 #79

You should probablystep back and take a few minutes to notice some beauty around you. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #80

you should follow your own advice, hon cali Jun 2015 #81

I'm certainly not worked up over this. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #82

Let's not pretend facts have anything to do with this shit. merrily Jun 2015 #134

funny. he spoke about it extensively just yesterday. He's going to Vegas on Friday cali Jun 2015 #58

COOL! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #59

why bother? he knows he's lying. he served with Bernie for 17 years. cali Jun 2015 #63

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #65

. LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #69

Nice selfie Fumesucker Jun 2015 #72

Lol, good one! sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #133

lol. that's the best you can do. wait, I already knew that. you just don't do substantive cali Jun 2015 #73

It is amazing how many chances some get around here. Rex Jun 2015 #147

Results... Major Nikon Jun 2015 #74

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #75

Explanation: As a Hillary supporter I find MRT embarassing frylock Jun 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author neverforget Jun 2015 #110

Oh bullshit! Did he personally call you to talk about this? See, if some jagoff says it didn't Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2015 #60

Google much? merrily Jun 2015 #140

It's amazing how completely unaware you are of the candidate you openly despise Scootaloo Jun 2015 #150

I know a lot more than the vast majority of DU. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #155

Clearly you don't. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #157

You prove my point. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #158

If saying that makes you feel better, by all means Scootaloo Jun 2015 #159

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #161

that's because you don't listen frylock Jun 2015 #178

Oh bullshit. jeff47 Jun 2015 #64

No, it's only the same kind of bs we've seen before. merrily Jun 2015 #132

Gutierrez is the Geraldine Ferraro for 2016 elections JI7 Jun 2015 #50

Oh wow....that's a pretty good comparison Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #62

More ugly will come like this. Considering the level of lies and ugly presented here, they Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #56

Is this the same Luis Gutierrez who was Rahm Emmanuel's campaign chairman? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #84

.... merrily Jun 2015 #136

Nice Democrat. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #86

I also heard that Sanders has not denounced Vivisectionists. JanMichael Jun 2015 #89

yes indeed, ludicrous desperation CrawlingChaos Jun 2015 #107

ah surrogate talking time nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #90

"Excuse me! That's *Vice President* Lickspittle Toady!" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #92

Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #93

Meet the new Hillary. Just like the old Hillary. magical thyme Jun 2015 #96

hasn't changed a thing cali Jun 2015 #98

yes it did. I just got paid today. Motivated me to make another donation magical thyme Jun 2015 #100

Same 2008 campaign, same 2008 supporters, same 2008 results. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #151

I'll certainly remember Rep. Luis Guti�rrez (DINO-Ill.) name.... 99Forever Jun 2015 #104

Kinda patheic CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #106

Bernie Sanders is the son of an immigrant, Luis Guti�rrez is not. So what's that about? Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #111

Don't go bringing facts into this ... nt TBF Jun 2015 #112

Like Rahm, Gutierrez has long aspired to be Mayor of Chicago. What is his best path to that office? merrily Jun 2015 #113

Bernie ' s town is a refugee resettlement town karynnj Jun 2015 #119

Yup. 96% white, versus Chappequa, which is almost 92% white. merrily Jun 2015 #138

Burlington and some surrounding towns volunteered karynnj Jun 2015 #141

Good info, karynnj, now karynvt. Thanks. merrily Jun 2015 #143

Gutierrez is starting to sound like (P)rick Parry davidpdx Jun 2015 #164

Sanders' best PR is going to come from Hillary supporters, I think. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #167

... and oh yeah, we also have the capitalist, I forget her name, oh yes that's right Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #173

He forgot the "some people say" part deutsey Jun 2015 #176