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NanceGreggs

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31. It was not a matter of ...

Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:34 AM

Jun 2015

... avoiding nor defending Guitierrez's comments - which I did neither.

My comments on that thread were about the statement that his remarks could be "traced back to Hillary's campaign" - which no one has offered a shred of evidence to support.

Maybe you're not as interested in "facts" as you used to be when someone makes such a claim. I still am.

If you can provide a link to where I "defended" the rep's comments, I'd be happy for you to post them. But no such "defense" exists.

I believe being "principled" means that when someone states that a comment can be "traced back" to any politician's campaign, they should be able to back up that statement with facts. Thus far, no one has posted any "facts" that support the allegation that Guiterrez's comments originated with HRC's campaign.

If asking for FACTS to back up such an assertion is now considered to be "unprincipled", then I guess I am as unprincipled as one can be. And proud of it.

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@#$& Rep. Luis "Ready for Hillary!" Guti�rrez [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 OP

It's time we fight back haikugal Jun 2015 #1

We will. Spread the word about Guitterez around the Social Media is where Bernie's hundreds of sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #6

Gutierrez spent 17 years serving with Bernie in the House cali Jun 2015 #2

"Uh, I can't remember his name" MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #3

typical. disgusting but typical. fuck the smearmeisters cali Jun 2015 #4

You forgot Boyd Brown, from the DNC who called Bernie 'crazy'. It's not going to affect Bernie, what sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #8

That was epically stupid MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #15

Epic stupidity, yes, but he is a declared member of Team Hillary. leveymg Jun 2015 #49

The blight on the Democratic Party, The Third Way! They are a third party that latched onto sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #68

Reminds me of Bush pretending he barely ever heard of Ken Lay n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #80

Slime ball. 840high Jun 2015 #21

Yep. Jew. Racist. Socialist. Pick your own order. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #5

The smear campaign is getting pretty tiring Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #13

They're putting together a BIG list so every interview and every debate question is about this crap. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #26

actually it's literally called "Judeocommunism" and can drive a lot of the hate MisterP Jun 2015 #67

This is the type of campaign they run, did the same 8 years ago krawhitham Jun 2015 #7

But 24 years ago, it worked swell MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #9

for good or for ill, Bernie won't stoop to conquer cali Jun 2015 #10

No need to stoop. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #11

Indeed. TM99 Jun 2015 #12

He won't, he just keeps climbing. But there's no rule that says we can't deal with these sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #16

Yep, this has team H's signature all over it. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #24

I said in another OP today about this... SoapBox Jun 2015 #14

There's a crowd here... MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #17

The art of the smear. Does't matter if it's true, just put the doubt out there to confuse people. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #18

Tell the big lie and tell it often. zeemike Jun 2015 #20

When I first read this on the FB feed yesterday, before clicking on the link... BeanMusical Jun 2015 #19

She will - same old Hillary as in '08. 840high Jun 2015 #22

David Byrne said it before. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #75

Thanks! 840high Jun 2015 #84

Luis Guti�rrez came to power as part of the Chicago Daley machine. former9thward Jun 2015 #23

Is Hillary okay with this? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #25

so..um...Hillary supporters? JackInGreen Jun 2015 #27

Your answer is in the post below yours. (#28) (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #50

I'm afraid JackInGreen Jun 2015 #55

#28 and below is Clinton supporter backing Guti�rrez's comments. jeff47 Jun 2015 #58

Got the JackInGreen Jun 2015 #59

Attacking those attacking Guti�rrez is defending Guti�rrez. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #60

Yeah, let's hope that Bernie ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #28

I used to really respect you a great deal, I considered you a powerful voice for truth and principle Fumesucker Jun 2015 #29

It was not a matter of ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #31

Hillary's past campaign performance has guaranteed that people will assume that djean111 Jun 2015 #32

Actually, no, only people who already hate Hillary will assume that Clinton had DanTex Jun 2015 #36

Why keep calling "disagreeing with her policies and politics" HATE? Is this a case djean111 Jun 2015 #38

People who just "disagree with her politics" won't care at all about what someone who DanTex Jun 2015 #41

No, you are incorrect. But I guess crying "HATE" empowers some people, or makes them djean111 Jun 2015 #43

Actually, yes, I am correct. There is a difference between disagreement and hatred, DanTex Jun 2015 #44

1. Guti�rrez bore false witness MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #33

Do you then consider it a fact that Sanders does not care about immigants? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #48

Luis Guiterrez + Ready for Hillary = Clinton Supporter Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #71

So what? NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #74

There is an actual right wing conspiracy after the Clintons, it is also after everything that randys1 Jun 2015 #77

Well, obviously ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #78

Yeah, as bad as I want Bernie to beat her, I want her to win if he doesnt. randys1 Jun 2015 #79

I hear ya! NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #81

You're not the only one. At one 840high Jun 2015 #85

I don't understand. How is it negative campaigning to point out Hiraeth Jun 2015 #54

Some people are becoming worried Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #30

Joys of the primary process... Although it is move fun when GOP beat each other up dembotoz Jun 2015 #34

LOL. I guess you didn't actually watch that speech (from two years ago). DanTex Jun 2015 #35

bullshit. and I just posted an op that demonstrates that cali Jun 2015 #39

What part is bullshit? That the speech was about H1Bs? Or that it was from two years ago? DanTex Jun 2015 #42

How about Hillary SUPPORTING H-1Bs back in 2007 and AVOIDING it since then! cascadiance Jun 2015 #63

What does that have to do with the OP? DanTex Jun 2015 #64

I think Bernie Sanders taking a stand against H-2B program workers getting ABUSED by this program... cascadiance Jun 2015 #65

She had a good teacher in "evolution". BeanMusical Jun 2015 #56

Are we really surprised to see a slime trail behind the Hillary machine? Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #37

FYI... Sancho Jun 2015 #40

He served in the Progressive Caucus which Bernie founded Autumn Jun 2015 #45

As blatantly obvious awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #62

The heart, soul, and ethical norm of Hillary Clinton supporters on public display. 99Forever Jun 2015 #46

Clinton: Ethic free zone. I do not want to see Hillary and her crew in the White House cali Jun 2015 #47

Conservadems lie as shamelessly as republicans do. They can get caught lying, Zorra Jun 2015 #51

And then her supporters come on here and act dumb LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #52

How is it not totally Manny's fault? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #57

It goes without saying that it's Manny's fault LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #61

I like the cut of your jib. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #70

For every time a person says it's your fault, you should earn a nickel.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish Jun 2015 #53

Sanders campaign style: 1. problem 2. solutions that have worked, here or elsewhere MisterP Jun 2015 #66

Guti�rrez, we will remember you. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #69

I found that repellant Babel_17 Jun 2015 #73

Here's the link to contact our party Babel_17 Jun 2015 #76

Thanks for the link! haikugal Jun 2015 #82

Not my favorite by a long shot marym625 Jun 2015 #83