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haele

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56. Quite a few. Green-grey hazel eyes have never been unusual in North Africa.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

Nor in the Middle East. Over the years, I've met many a person that was identified as "black", or who's family was black, who was as light or lighter than she is. There were pamphlets written in the 19th century for government and police officials on how to detect when a black person (i.e., a person who was at least 1/64th African) was trying to "pass", and just from the pictures presented, she could have been tagged as "not white", no matter what she tried to say she was.
They would look at the shape of her eyes, nose, and face, the texture of her hair, the color of her eyes, and skin tone. With today's product, hair texture is a bit difficult to tell from her pictures, but I suspect that the early 19th century slave catchers in Georgia and Louisiana wouldn't care, she's hit at least 5 of the 6 traits I've described, and they'd be asking around for anyone who could make a fuss for her as being white if they had a potential client lined up for the "recovery" of a light-skinned slave of her age.

This often made it difficult for some 19th century Irish and similar immigrants from the southwest of Britain, because depending on how many of their ancestors went fishing down in the Canaries or interacted with the Spanish Moors (which many did), many families have carried a broad "african" nose and grey-green eyes or a clear, olive-based skin tone common to North Africa and some of the Berbers. There are a few incidences of non-english speaking Europeans taken for run-away slaves and sold to plantations in the deep south up until almost the Civil War. If a slave with (to put it politely) more caucasian that african ancestry made it far enough north, it was much easier to pull off being a white man or woman who's family came from Ireland or Great Britain (or from any of the other Southern European countries) and start a new life.
Actually, I think that's what happened with a 2x Great Grandfather of mine who started off as a maitre de at an upscale hotel; when doing the family tree, he suddenly popped up as a 25/26 year old in Chicago around 1859, and no other record could be found of him or anyone else with a similar name around his age anywhere else.
The letters from my 2x Great Grandmother to her swooning friends described as very handsome man with a slight drawl; an oval face with flaring nostrils, almost six foot, piercing green-grey eyes, clear olive skin, and thick, curling light brown hair. Hmmm...of course, that side of my family would never consider he might have been anything but a handsome, penniless immigrant with exquisite manners who made a good living for himself. Except my own father, a history teacher, who often made his grey-eyed, curly haired mother very upset with some of his suggestions when he got annoyed at some of her John Bircher antics.

Anyway, back to the original story.

I suspect that since she apparently could self-identify and perhaps "passed" as black in her youth, there might have been some African or African American in her family anyway, if part of her family tree was either from Southwestern Britain or Ireland, or had been in the US since the early 1800s. I also suspect that if her parents are making a big deal about it, they're not wanting their friends to know that there might be enough AA in their family that in some places, they'd also be considered black, and lose some things they feel entitled to in a social - or even legal - setting.

Honestly, if the lady has a job as a regional head of the NAACP, she's made something of herself, and there's nothing any parent should be ashamed about.

Haele

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I would have thought her bioparents would know. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #1
Possibly NOLALady Jun 2015 #7
You mean like this guy? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #9
That Trisha episode Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #25
Just go back 100,000 years and we all have African DNA Yupster Jun 2015 #34
She knows who her parents are and she knows they are white. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2015 #110
How many african girls with green eyes do you know? DetlefK Jun 2015 #2
Lots. NOLALady Jun 2015 #5
It's not true but at one time in parts of the south TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #6
My Brother-in-Law ... and a bunch of other Black folks I know. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #10
Several (nt) bigwillq Jun 2015 #13
Well, I don't personally know Rihanna, but... Bosonic Jun 2015 #14
Rihanna was my first thought. Then again her grandmother is Irish. nt LittleBlue Jun 2015 #40
All over the neighborhood here in Harlem. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #24
Quite a few. Green-grey hazel eyes have never been unusual in North Africa. haele Jun 2015 #56
read some more. It's clear she's a sick liar. cali Jun 2015 #62
she never identified or passed in her youth shanti Jun 2015 #83
Fake tan. CHeck out the many photos of her snagglepuss Jun 2015 #58
Plenty GCP Jun 2015 #59
Jeez, where do you live? I know about 6 black people with green or hazel eyes. Not Nay Jun 2015 #61
Stephen Curry, NBA's MVP this year CreekDog Jun 2015 #71
An insular group of family, friends and acquaintances can certainly reduce one's world to a rather m LanternWaste Jun 2015 #74
Many, but I don't recall any of them having white parents and ancestry. Beacool Jun 2015 #78
Several cousins, aunts JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #82
I know a few mixed people with green eyes. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #91
I went to high school with a dark-skinned black student with bright blue eyes. kwassa Jun 2015 #103
Dated two bothers with green eyes back in the day. And your use of the word "African" is bizarre Number23 Jun 2015 #116
Perhaps we need a 'Race Classification Board'. The South African members are unemployed now and pampango Jun 2015 #3
Montana privilege. lovemydog Jun 2015 #4
pretty self explanatory Baclava Jun 2015 #8
That's a white girl. cwydro Jun 2015 #92
Another African beauty AngryAmish Jun 2015 #11
This story is amazing. Brickbat Jun 2015 #12
Indeed. Eddie Murphy is wondering wtf pintobean Jun 2015 #17
A classic! Brickbat Jun 2015 #18
It sounds like this young woman might need to get some mental health help Marrah_G Jun 2015 #15
My take on it too. She's not too tightly tethered to reality... CTyankee Jun 2015 #21
She's 37 alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #22
She looked younger then 37 :) Marrah_G Jun 2015 #23
Her extra melanin Yupster Jun 2015 #38
*SNORT* morningfog Jun 2015 #45
Black don't crack. kwassa Jun 2015 #106
Thats what it seems like to me too. Someone below suggested we respect how folks self identify stevenleser Jun 2015 #26
she isn't young and by the look of things, she definitely needs attention snooper2 Jun 2015 #32
My same thoughts. Beacool Jun 2015 #79
First time in the history of the US Catherine Vincent Jun 2015 #16
The street interview is hilarious. Ace Rothstein Jun 2015 #19
Maybe we should respect how one identifies/ chooses to present oneself. eShirl Jun 2015 #20
Interesting and important point. See my #26 above... stevenleser Jun 2015 #27
On the Constitutionally-required census every 10 years... yallerdawg Jun 2015 #29
Maybe but as I saw someone else say mythology Jun 2015 #30
On the other hand DustyJoe Jun 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #51
Yeah, but the surgery costs an arm and a leg. Orrex Jun 2015 #41
you didn't snooper2 Jun 2015 #42
Wait for someone to accuse me of going out on a limb Orrex Jun 2015 #43
Why do you always have to take it to the extremities? morningfog Jun 2015 #47
As long as he foots the bill. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #87
I think you've gotten to the nub of it. morningfog Jun 2015 #94
I'm stumped as well OriginalGeek Jun 2015 #93
Orrex, Orrex, Orrex. Nay Jun 2015 #67
Y'all are cracking me up! cwydro Jun 2015 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #50
Sending hate mail to herself... cwydro Jun 2015 #33
sort of reminds me of a non-medical sort of munchausen Marrah_G Jun 2015 #44
Yeah, she could have gone on in the deception forever (the NAACP has white employees Nay Jun 2015 #68
Can you self identify yourself Yupster Jun 2015 #39
And that's another good point. Not for her NAACP job, but for the jobs or work she Nay Jun 2015 #69
Maybe if she really lives the experience One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #96
I think you can draw the line when it becomes Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #48
Race is a political classification, like geographical state boundaries. nt valerief Jun 2015 #28
Um, you REALLY should take a half hour and learn something snooper2 Jun 2015 #37
Race is a social constuct AngryAmish Jun 2015 #31
We're all part of an African species. dawg Jun 2015 #36
pretty much Johonny Jun 2015 #46
I can't argue with that. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #81
Her parents have responded to media. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #49
She's felt the oppression of being passed up for a white woman Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #53
She married and divorced a Black dude Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #54
Maybe she was trying to get a scholarship to Harvard Law School? Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #57
Agreed. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #63
Exactly. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #64
Did Bruce Jenner ever go through the opression of women Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #86
She could not "change back anytime" Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #105
OMG you're right, it's just like that. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #109
She seems pretty oppressed, people who don't have any tolerance for the transgendered CreekDog Jun 2015 #113
While I'm all in favor of people self-identifying, this is on the other side of that line CreekDog Jun 2015 #72
To me, this is like catfishing. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #76
She is evidently misrepresenting who her father is B2G Jun 2015 #52
At some point, I think she chose to self identify. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #55
Fine with me Elmergantry Jun 2015 #60
The Census Bureau allows you to claim any race. former9thward Jun 2015 #65
The census bureau is not the arbiter of one's race CreekDog Jun 2015 #73
Who is the arbiter of one's race? former9thward Jun 2015 #97
You used the term "allows". It's a red herring CreekDog Jun 2015 #100
Who is the arbiter of one's race? former9thward Jun 2015 #101
Does such an arbiter even exist? EL34x4 Jun 2015 #102
There is no arbiter. former9thward Jun 2015 #107
You're trying to make it sound like people here said what she did was illegal CreekDog Jun 2015 #115
I was replying to a poster who talked about criminal charges. former9thward Jun 2015 #117
You started this argument long before they appeared CreekDog Jun 2015 #119
Cut and paste to where I said anything about crime. former9thward Jun 2015 #121
You can ask that as many times as you want, but it's still a red herring CreekDog Jun 2015 #112
You are the one who brought up that the Census is not the arbiter. former9thward Jun 2015 #114
You implied the census was the arbiter or that somehow was relevant to what she did CreekDog Jun 2015 #118
Cut and paste to where I said the Census was the arbiter. former9thward Jun 2015 #120
"I was born a poor black child in Mississippi." KamaAina Jun 2015 #66
Well this is a new twist, white woman trying to pass as AA riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #70
Curious if she got affirmative action aid or grants MosheFeingold Jun 2015 #75
What I don't get is why she pretended to be AA. Beacool Jun 2015 #77
Disturbed or not she's an asshole ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #80
I'd like to co-sign this post JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #84
Couldn't Caitlyn Jenner do the exact same thing? philosslayer Jun 2015 #89
You're actually comparing race and gender? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #99
Crazy story abelenkpe Jun 2015 #85
Wasn't Julie Brown "Trapped in the Body of a White Girl?" Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #88
She's white and she's lying. I guess her heart is in the right place craigmatic Jun 2015 #90
Maybe she was just a real big fan of C. Thomas Howell. temporary311 Jun 2015 #95
Utterly unnecessary KamaAina Jun 2015 #98
I did not meet her, NOLALady Jun 2015 #122
I believe that was during the post-Katrina period KamaAina Jun 2015 #123
Yep. NOLALady Jun 2015 #124
Similar to Wali Farrad, founder of the Nation of Islam. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #108
At least Sneak the freak Jun 2015 #111
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