The jobs are going whether we sign agreements or not.

[joshcryer]

29. I've always supported it, but TPP is where I realized...

...that really, it is a symptom of our consumer culture.

I think I made the initial realization in this post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5233560

But then I think the first time I invoked "living wage" / "basic income" with regards to TPP is lower in that subthread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5234537

TPP is a symptom of a government that is elected by consumers who want the cheapest shit possible for the least amount of effort possible (perceived effort, mind you; there's a whole other argument here how even cheap goods come at a huge cost to hard working Americans). This is not a slam on us Americans, we just found ourselves in a situation that is untenable.

The fucked up thing is that TPP will possibly make that road more bumpy because it may well kick the can down the road. I see basic income being something we're talking about in 15 years, though, automated cars should be causing a lot of labor controversy by then.

(Note: in my past posts there are always going to be inaccuracies, I since was informed about Germany's tax rate being different, but the basic arguments are still there. Nobody's perfect.)