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joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
33. "ambivalence"
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:29 AM
Jun 2015

It sucks to say it but... yeah.

If there's a SOPA style protest I will be at the front lines. We have 60-90 days as far as I understand. I feel that it's going to be a meh moment in advocacy groups and I am no leader. No one will follow me.



Too old for this shit.
Unrec PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #1
Well we already have "jobs" back in the US; unemployment is very low Recursion Jun 2015 #2
Here is what needs to change PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #5
Sounds like we need a social change, which I completely agree with Recursion Jun 2015 #8
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #78
Refusal to acknowledge the manipulation of the official US "unemployment" figures Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #60
What kind of jobs? Are they the kind of jobs that a person Exilednight Jun 2015 #71
American people, though--not foreign people making a few dollars a day...? MADem Jun 2015 #27
There it is PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #32
What a rude thing for you to say!! Nice tactic-make me the enemy, and get out the torches and MADem Jun 2015 #34
Gonna fall back on American exceptionalism? There is no such thing and even if it was it wouldn't TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #91
What's better? To fall back on "Fuck it, we're all gonna die?" MADem Jun 2015 #92
Yep, we better adapt because isolating ourselves out of fear of change ain't gonna work for long. Hoyt Jun 2015 #3
Not fear of change Joe Turner Jun 2015 #9
So all the world's major countries -- including Sanders' favorite Scandinavian -- are just wrong? nt Hoyt Jun 2015 #79
Northern Europe is not part of TPP Joe Turner Jun 2015 #80
They are part of TPIP. Try to keep up. Hoyt Jun 2015 #82
Different agreement try avoiding tangents Joe Turner Jun 2015 #83
This tread is about the TPP, TPIP, etc. Hoyt Jun 2015 #84
As usual you are mixing apples with oranges Joe Turner Jun 2015 #87
Look at the OP I responded to. You might have tried to limit the game to TPP, I didn't. Hoyt Jun 2015 #88
Changing the subject will get you nowhere Joe Turner Jun 2015 #90
Even so, that doesn't mean we should grease the outsourcing skids 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #4
I don't really think they do that. If anything they make it more difficult Recursion Jun 2015 #10
Why then is virtually every labor union & labor advocate saying otherwise? 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #12
Because the TPP has been organizing gold. Recursion Jun 2015 #14
If the TPP was really about jobs, that would be correct DJ13 Jun 2015 #6
I'm troubled by what I've heard about those too, and if they end up in the text I'd be against it Recursion Jun 2015 #11
It's the power that TPP would give to corporations over governments that is frightening. Demit Jun 2015 #43
No. Really, no. The TPP limits corporate power. Recursion Jun 2015 #45
Well, you'd have to show me exactly where in the agreement corporate power is limited, Demit Jun 2015 #49
But of course, no one can show you exactly where in the agreement . . . hatrack Jun 2015 #61
Exactimundo. Demit Jun 2015 #63
Agreed Gloria Jun 2015 #16
If only I were as smart and well-informed as you and Bernie Sanders. merrily Jun 2015 #7
Manufacturing can certainly come back with the right policies Joe Turner Jun 2015 #13
Manufacturing *is* back. It doesn't need to "come back" Recursion Jun 2015 #15
Germany has tarrifs AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #19
Oh, no you have that completely backwards Recursion Jun 2015 #20
The TTP is less about trade and more about sovereignty. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #17
Meh. The TPP prevents US corporations from running completely roughshod over developing nations Recursion Jun 2015 #18
"Outside tribunal" AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #21
No, the WTO. AFL has a 70% victory rate in it Recursion Jun 2015 #28
It should be cheaper to build here than cross the largest ocean on the planet. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #22
It is. that's why we still have so many factories here Recursion Jun 2015 #24
We're all going to die anyways, let's all start a meth habit!!11! Fearless Jun 2015 #23
Mass manufacturing labor is dead or dying, with that I agree. joshcryer Jun 2015 #25
Basic income/social dividend is really the only workable future I see Recursion Jun 2015 #26
I've always supported it, but TPP is where I realized... joshcryer Jun 2015 #29
That's my ambivalence about the TPP too Recursion Jun 2015 #30
"ambivalence" joshcryer Jun 2015 #33
60-90 days is not enough time to find TeaPubliKlans looking out for the people, the environment, and TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #93
Yes, it is part of advancement in technology treestar Jun 2015 #86
Yeah, we're all just chumps. Maedhros Jun 2015 #31
There is a way. They are called import tariffs. on point Jun 2015 #35
And then our exports also go away Recursion Jun 2015 #37
30% GDP drop is acceptable PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #38
Fair enough Recursion Jun 2015 #40
Rmoney was correct about makers and takers PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #46
Leeches and bloodsuckers Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #94
KnR for complex thinking. Isolationism is not the answer. Wishful thinking won't get us there either Hekate Jun 2015 #36
As long as trade agreements contain octoberlib Jun 2015 #39
ISDS lets AFL-CIO sue Mexico for preventing workers from organizing Recursion Jun 2015 #41
Unrecommended to the max. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #42
So, make an argument (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #44
I have never agreed with a post you have made since I have been on DU. Not a single one. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #47
I have agreed with several of yours. The difference is, I bring evidence to back up my claims. Recursion Jun 2015 #48
You bring corporate talking points on one issue after another. You call it evidence. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #50
"Corporate" is a lazy word. Recursion Jun 2015 #54
Evidence? Puh-leeze! NOT A SINGLE LINK IN YOUR OP Divernan Jun 2015 #53
OK, so make the opposite argument Recursion Jun 2015 #55
That'd be like "arguing with" the Black Knight Divernan Jun 2015 #59
You just lost Divernan. nt tridim Jun 2015 #76
It's available on line, so stop the "after I read it" I may be against it spiel. Divernan Jun 2015 #51
No, it's not (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #52
Wikileaks is your friend - well not yours, but the rest of us. Divernan Jun 2015 #56
I'll wait until the actual text is passed back to Congress (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #57
Manufacturing employment has been declining in all developed countries for 30-40 years. pampango Jun 2015 #58
+1 Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #62
Bullshit. 99Forever Jun 2015 #64
Care to expand on that? (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #65
They have such a strong argument, no? Agschmid Jun 2015 #66
I know. It damn near convinces me every time (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #69
Major corporate lying bullshit. 99Forever Jun 2015 #67
Can we get slightly more concrete? (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #68
Save for the prols. 99Forever Jun 2015 #70
And there is nothing we can do if they wish to sell it in America... kentuck Jun 2015 #72
Who are "they" and what is "it"? (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #73
They are those taking the jobs overseas... kentuck Jun 2015 #75
It's not just manufacturing jobs - LiberalElite Jun 2015 #74
If our tariffs weren't practically non-existant our jobs would not be off-shored brush Jun 2015 #77
I've never said I didn't want trade agreements. LWolf Jun 2015 #81
now now stop with the reality treestar Jun 2015 #85
There is nuance to what you are saying Cosmocat Jun 2015 #89
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