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Bluenorthwest

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160. Since this is 2 years old, let me show you what Francis was up to in November last.

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:36 AM

Jun 2015

Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage
"The presence of American evangelicals and the LDS Church was particularly notable. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, and Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, each gave speeches, and representatives from the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council in Washington attended. President Henry Eyring of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ first presidency spoke and Elder Tom Perry of the LDS’s Quorum of the Twelve also joined. In the United States, this trio of faiths has worked together to stand against the government’s Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate, but it was the first time they were coming together at the Vatican to talk about marriage."
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

Lots of information at the link. Care to discuss this reality? None of Francis' promoters on DU thus far have had the common courtesy to address this when it is brought to them, almost as if they were actively avoiding the facts....

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Pope Francis Calls Right-Wing Christian Fundamentalism a Sickness [View all] damnedifIknow Jun 2015 OP

I heard that if you are a rightwing piece of shit catholic like that ass that is on all randys1 Jun 2015 #1

Amen damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #4

For real? There is no daylight between the Catholic Church's and Christian CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #2

Allow me to introduce you to Pope Francis, definitely not the same as the others. Hekate Jun 2015 #8

I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 12 years. CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #13

Please allow me to introduce myself . . . ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #20

i also was beaten by nuns. DesertFlower Jun 2015 #49

I have been there also gopiscrap Jun 2015 #125

The nuns at my school were far more creative. apnu Jun 2015 #202

Been there myself Liberalynn Jun 2015 #85

I should thank them ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #86

Can you give one concrete example of policy difference on abortion or SSM? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #97

I only deal in cement, not concrete. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #103

I see you cannot provide the requested cite. I accept your surrender. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #106

Probably not effective, but here's a couple of MAJOR differences. lark Jun 2015 #144

The last guy wrote an entire book criticizing capitalism and regularly NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #152

Last pope protected child molesters lark Jun 2015 #156

No. But he is different on other issues. treestar Jun 2015 #110

He makes some nice noises about poverty and income inequality. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #112

I appreciate where you're coming from, CharlotteVale. That sounds like where I'm coming from, too! calimary Jun 2015 #37

I am totally with you on that, calimary. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #73

So true Charlotte tiptonic Jun 2015 #95

That doesn't mean you know about this Pope treestar Jun 2015 #109

I went The Door growing up JonLP24 Jun 2015 #187

This is from November, Francis was Keynote Speaker: Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #51

Actually, Catholics are pretty ignorant about what is in the Bible and how it was put together JDPriestly Jun 2015 #68

I would be very surprised if Pope Francis is not well-versed in bible history. Nitram Jun 2015 #94

SPEAK THE HELL FOR YOURSELF. Maybe 8-year-old Catholics, but do NOT presume to speak for us ADULTS. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #207

That's not true at all. Francis has not departed from the policies of John Paul II. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #96

I notice you were unable to respond to my post. Figures. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #162

You really see no difference between this pope.... daleanime Jun 2015 #21

Nope. Not one little bit. Other than better PR, of course. CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #25

That's sad. daleanime Jun 2015 #26

It is. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #46

Exactly what has he accomplished that matters? skepticscott Jun 2015 #63

No real changes in doctrine Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #76

I am astonished that this is supposed to register as "change." trotsky Jun 2015 #141

I see that you blow off what are significant changes as "PR stunts" Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #155

I see you can't dispute any of my points. trotsky Jun 2015 #170

I'm not going to bother Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #172

Well thanks for making it personal. trotsky Jun 2015 #173

Hey, you did it to me all the time in the Religion forum Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #179

Sure, you keep telling yourself that. trotsky Jun 2015 #181

She also thinks Canon Law is in agreement with "Born Again" theologies Drahthaardogs Jun 2015 #55

Not to mention the pesky little fact that Ratzinger was an KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #89

This Pope has reminded his right wing flock in this country at whom his comments on Gays were sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #32

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #74

And how do you explain the Rome conference in November against marriage equality, Francis the Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #157

Is it blindness or ignorance on your part? Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #72

Indeed. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #83

"cafeteria Catholics" trotsky Jun 2015 #177

That's exactly what the conservatives mean, in part. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #182

So pretty much every Catholic is a "cafeteria Catholic" in a way, right? n/t trotsky Jun 2015 #183

If they are honest with themselves, they are. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #185

Yet he (and his predecessors) have also been challenging liberals for decades, too. trotsky Jun 2015 #196

His delivery is more humble. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #98

There is. mmonk Jun 2015 #29

And the Catholic church down the street from me threw out the Boy Scouts and kept thier CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #30

I raise you a church down the street that...wait... that's not the point. JanMichael Jun 2015 #43

Good for you. CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #44

Ditto. nt. JanMichael Jun 2015 #45

I think you may be mixing up the new pope passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #47

i'm an atheist socialist who was DesertFlower Jun 2015 #50

Ditto dorkzilla Jun 2015 #52

Ditto. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #84

Do you like what he's said about homosexuality and contraceptives? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #100

no. nt DesertFlower Jun 2015 #150

6,000 years of bullshit, if one includes the Old Testament :) - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #87

I love that Franciscan church in Durham - No Vested Interest Jun 2015 #66

There is a massive difference between Catholicism and Protestant beliefs. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #36

Old Mainline Protestants are still pretty okay dorkzilla Jun 2015 #53

Correct. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #75

The underlying theologies differ greatly too. To wit, Catholics believe one can KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #88

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #99

Pretty conveeeenient for the greed-heads who profess "faith". WinkyDink Jun 2015 #209

He's the Good Pope in the same way Jeb is the Smart Bush. Gore1FL Jun 2015 #67

LOL. If God can't appreciate 'margins,' then why does (S)he allow KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #90

I have been trying for years to find a name for a specific logical fallacy Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #70

And on those two issues, you're exactly right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #80

Yeah, I've never heard Pope Frank come out for either.. ananda Jun 2015 #176

Did you read who the subject of the article is? WinkyDink Jun 2015 #206

Perhaps Santorum will be suggesting he leave religion to the religionists? brooklynite Jun 2015 #3

This isn't the onion? NCTraveler Jun 2015 #5

I don't think Santorum is very dangerous. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2015 #6

I am talking about the Pope. I didn't see Santorums name in the article. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #7

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #38

What are you talking about olegramps? NCTraveler Jun 2015 #123

He's not dangerous sharp_stick Jun 2015 #10

He is very dangerous. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #12

He's going to plop himself here right in the middle of the Presidential Election Gloria Jun 2015 #19

Army of hate? BlindTiresias Jun 2015 #58

Good grief! Somebody is going unhinged. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #105

Yes, I believe the Popes rhetoric to be unhinged and dangerous. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #120

Within his belief system that is not unhinged treestar Jun 2015 #124

I do get that and I feel it is why he is so dangerous. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #129

I'm surprised people are doubting you JonLP24 Jun 2015 #188

"He also speaks out against the rights of humans worldwide." Rex Jun 2015 #114

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #116

Thanks. Rex Jun 2015 #117

They should tell this pope Lordquinton Jun 2015 #146

*cough*Rat Line*cough* AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #149

He is speaking populism often and people are buying into it. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #140

Let's just say I hope he still does his own cooking, the way he did when he was a Cardinal.nt Hekate Jun 2015 #11

It takes courage... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #9

He seems to have a lot of potential for growth. At some point he may forsake Zorra Jun 2015 #14

He has already done some of that. Including admonishing members of the clergy for sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #34

Speak to this, none of his defenders bother to do so.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #158

... SidDithers Jun 2015 #15

Pope Francis has lunch with gay, transgender inmates onehandle Jun 2015 #17

he seems more of a "hands on" person than the cartoon suggests... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #56

Yes! shenmue Jun 2015 #16

When the Catholic Church stops abusing women re: their bodies Gloria Jun 2015 #18

it is an easily curable disease, as this guy explains certainot Jun 2015 #22

Well the fundies don't consider Cathlics to be Christian. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #23

Oh-Ohh fadedrose Jun 2015 #24

You say 'oh-oh' as if this was news. It's a two year old article. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #164

Did not read the link` fadedrose Jun 2015 #174

None of those who like the Pope can read the truth and respond to it. At least openly say you Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #193

I care about LGBT people fadedrose Jun 2015 #204

I have wondered which group America'll go after once we're bored with the Great Muslim Menace MisterP Jun 2015 #27

That question is already answered; it's happening now. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #40

I don't think we'll stop fearing Muslims until the ME is pacified LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2015 #41

"Pacified"? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #81

LOL - Not fair when I have coffee in my mouth! - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #91

Starts making you wonder if we're on the right track when Bill Maher likes the pope and Mel Gibson Exilednight Jun 2015 #28

Oh SNAP! SoapBox Jun 2015 #31

Looks to me as if we have a couple of those in this thread padfun Jun 2015 #35

Francis is reminding them about the true teachings of Jesus Christ. hamsterjill Jun 2015 #33

I certainly prefer him to all of the other popes and Ilsa Jun 2015 #61

Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #77

This ^^^^^^^^^ treestar Jun 2015 #121

LOL JonLP24 Jun 2015 #189

Who would expect a Pope to be pro-choice and pro-LBGT? treestar Jun 2015 #197

He has more power to sway people in the long run JonLP24 Jun 2015 #201

Here's Francis telling it 'like it is' AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #107

My response. hamsterjill Jun 2015 #118

So, the owner of the single richest private organization on the planet AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #122

Are you discounting where he agrees with you? treestar Jun 2015 #130

No, he literally just went to Slovakia and the Philippines because of referendums AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #134

I think he differs from his predecessors on the issue of homosexuality. hamsterjill Jun 2015 #143

Read this, oh ye straight person who claims to support equality, and give us your wisdoms: Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #159

No, I don't think Francis is organizing the world against you. hamsterjill Jun 2015 #180

And if Tony Perkins is so terrible, why is he invited to this anti equality conference by Francis, Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #194

Oh, good grief! hamsterjill Jun 2015 #199

And being gay is not a 'lifestyle' Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #195

Oh, so you're the grammar police, now, too? hamsterjill Jun 2015 #200

That's not about grammar, it's about using a term that is a right wing insult. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #205

Okay, so what word should I have used in my post? hamsterjill Jun 2015 #212

Exactly. treestar Jun 2015 #127

I agree. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #39

So, how many people actually read what he said (this was October 2013, by the way)? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #42

This ^ PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #48

Dishonesty is the hallmark trait of Francis promotion.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #57

This pope has a very good marketing department and it has been a big success in fooling totodeinhere Jun 2015 #59

I had to check te date on this thread a couple times Lordquinton Jun 2015 #115

K&R pa28 Jun 2015 #54

I posted an example of it in the Video & Multimedia forum. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #60

Religion in and of itself is poisonous. Francis should be honest about the Bible. YOHABLO Jun 2015 #62

That damn peace of Westphalia...it needs to be relitigated. AngryAmish Jun 2015 #64

With Republicans in charge of both Congress and the Executive in Jan. 2017, we'll KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #92

There goes the welcome mat from the right... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #65

Thanks for pointing out others' splinters, Your so-called Holiness Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #69

I like Francis (a lot), but I also think he needs to read your post forthwith. Bravo! - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #93

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #71

the pope is right. barbtries Jun 2015 #78

This may be the only time I quote the Pope. lovemydog Jun 2015 #79

Reading post #1, is the meaning "RW Piece of Shit" or "Piece of Shit Catholic"? Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #82

Either is appropriate as that post refers to Bill Donahue... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #132

I agree with him! Faux pas Jun 2015 #101

You agree with a headline. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #111

Yes, the headline. Faux pas Jun 2015 #133

As a lifelong Christian I have been very uplifted by Pope Francis. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #102

I'm just going to assume you mean pro-Francis PR and not reality because AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #108

So, I'll just go ahead and mark you down as less optimistic. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #138

I'm definitely less than optimistic. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #142

Bernie Sanders is a supporter of LGBT rights and persons, and a strong supporter of women's total Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #163

Your literally only the second person who prefered Ratzinger I've come across. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #178

That's very dishonest of you, I never said any such thing Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #192

Sorry for the misinterpretation. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #198

HOLY SHIT Gregorian Jun 2015 #104

Excellent gopiscrap Jun 2015 #113

Ask him about same sex marriage and see how 'jazzed' you are. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #119

I understand that gopiscrap Jun 2015 #128

I'm not a religious person and know little about the Catholic church or any other damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #175

Pleasae report back re the Papal audience No Vested Interest Jun 2015 #145

OK will do gopiscrap Jun 2015 #184

like this guy liberal N proud Jun 2015 #126

He denounces hatred of gays? Really? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #131

What, he only said it's the work of satan, sheesh. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #136

Pope says Catholic Church should not dismiss gay marriage damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #165

"Pope Francis on gay rights: His 5 worst quotes" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #166

Where in that link does he renounce hatred of gays? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #168

...says the leader of an organisation ... OldEurope Jun 2015 #135

So..... what's he gonna do about it? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #137

I've never understood how the Catholic Church can maintain patriarchal stances toward women... YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #139

So don't be a Catholic. Easy-peasy. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #211

Are you gonna add that this is old? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #147

Posted 6/6/2015 damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #148

It's from Oct 21, 2013 muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #153

October 21, 2013 • By Stephen D. Foster Jr. Lordquinton Jun 2015 #154

k&r avaistheone1 Jun 2015 #151

Since this is 2 years old, let me show you what Francis was up to in November last. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #160

Oh but he was in the Advocate, don't you know? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #169

Five Reasons Why The Advocate Is Dangerously Wrong To Name Pope Francis Person Of The Year beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #171

How is this anything more than tone it down? Why doesn't he just clear up the nonsense that Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #161

"Pope Francis Against Gay Marriage, Gay Adoption" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #167

Given the fact he's in Argentina which is where "The Family" visits too JonLP24 Jun 2015 #190

Uganda-44% Catholic, 43% Anglican, Bishops of both support the anti gay laws and acts. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #191

He's right JonLP24 Jun 2015 #186

And he just told transgender people to stay in the wrong body for them. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #203

Guess he's on board with SCOTUS today? Orsino Jun 2015 #208

Are there REALLY DU'ERS who expect the Bishop of Rome NOT to be a believing Catholic? LOLOLOL! WinkyDink Jun 2015 #210