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In reply to the discussion: We Should Lay off Using Romney's Mormon Beliefs as a Criticism [View all]Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)119. No thanks....
Prop 8. They spent millions. It was their fault. They worked with NOM. There are facts about the LDS that should not get the protections of religion, because they are not religion, they are politics.
Mormons practice hermetically, in secret. Thus, they are aware that they way to keep holy things holy involves keeping them out of the way of the dealing of human society. Once anyone drags their 'holy things' into the marketplace or worse, the political arena, it is no longer holy, and it is they who defiled it. Two quotes from LDS Presidents
LDS president Gordon B. Hinckley on why he was happy Prop 8 passed : "We are not anti-gay. We are pro-family."
LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith-(when Mitt was 19) : "I would not want you to believe that we bear any animosity toward the Negro. "Darkies" are wonderful people, and they have their place in our church."
The second quote was in Look Magazine, for the general population. The first was also mass media, not some private matter. And so who made it a public issue? They did. Who made it political? They did.
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Mormon's an Christians are about equally crazy in their beliefs. But the Christians get a pass in
Erose999
May 2012
#1
My theory on criticizing faith: if it would be criticized as BS outside a church then go ahead
CreekDog
May 2012
#126
Oh, and don't forget about the ritual cannibalism and vampirism of the deity!
backscatter712
May 2012
#176
I find Mormonism fascinating. I'm not going to silence myself because a Mormon is running
cali
May 2012
#2
I think discussing Mormonism in general can be useful and important, especially as a way to
Brickbat
May 2012
#8
I agree completely. As an atheist, and a citizen, I am appalled by the focus on religion as a
enough
May 2012
#12
I do think we need to recognize that there are many LDS who are democrats.
HereSince1628
May 2012
#13
We can agree that "that there are many LDS who are democrats" if there is a factual basis.
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#62
No. That does not support that "that there are many LDS who are democrats".
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#95
And not one source for the statement that "that there are many LDS who are democrats".
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#97
That is not a link to support "that there ARE AS MANY LDS who are democrats"
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#130
The rw is the ones most likely to stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. Unless of course they
jwirr
May 2012
#19
Romney is a Mormon. Obama IS NOT a Muslim see any difference? Can we point out about Dominionists?
Vincardog
May 2012
#17
If a Scientologist or a Moonie were running for president would religious beliefs be off the table?
NNN0LHI
May 2012
#23
Not because of his religion. I'd have a look at how many black people were in
MineralMan
May 2012
#73
Would you have opposed JFK because the Catholic Church excluded women from leadership?
hughee99
May 2012
#169
If he had been promoting such practices in his speeches you God damn right I would have
NNN0LHI
May 2012
#170
With all due respect, I think that all modern Presidents have been atheists.
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#66
Nonesense, Sir: There are people Who Do Not Want To Vote For a Mormon, And That Should Be Exploited
The Magistrate
May 2012
#25
Hardly, Sir: the Other Fellow's Religion Is Clearly Wrong, Evil, Even, And Has No Place In Politics
The Magistrate
May 2012
#172
When Mormons stop telling lies about the LGBT community, we will stop telling the truth about them.
Zorra
May 2012
#132
Or at least people should know to post religion focused OPs in the religion forum. FYI to all duers,
quinnox
May 2012
#28
Romney believes that God communicated his plans to man in upstate NY in the 19th century.
Nye Bevan
May 2012
#30
No thank you. Although I'm not Black, if the Mormons have the remnants of anti-Black and
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#33
Wrong. The difference is that Nixon did not remain true to Quaker traditions.
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#45
I think that you're right. But if and when others would reject Rmoney because of certain nutty
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#52
"Racism, homophobia, and other bigotry are pretty much independent of religion, it seems to me."
Maven
May 2012
#59
No, it's not legitimate to "wonder" if the candidate upholds this corrupt organization's positions
EFerrari
May 2012
#189
Ditto. It has nothing to do with fairy tales and magic underwear. We all have beliefs.
harun
May 2012
#83
"We all rightly criticized the right for using the Muslim nonsense against Obama"
cthulu2016
May 2012
#55
I think exploring "Lying for the Lord" is imperative in the vetting process.
myrna minx
May 2012
#69
"Whether Mormons should be considered "Christians" is a controversial and rather complicated issue."
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#70
A lot of Evangelicals will try to tell you Catholics aren't Christian either. n/t
Ganja Ninja
May 2012
#114
I don't need to be fair to the Mormon Church. I'm not playing AYSO soccer with them.
EFerrari
May 2012
#109
Yes, it is the Mormonism when the Mormon Church money floods our voting venues
EFerrari
May 2012
#99
He is a public and devout adherent to a church that is inherently bigoted
obamanut2012
May 2012
#137
"We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that ...
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2012
#81
As a woman, I think the fact that his belief system regards women as second class citizens
LeftyMom
May 2012
#104
Until that son of a bitch unequivocally apologizes for what he did
coalition_unwilling
May 2012
#106
If what underwear you put on in the morning was all your religion affected, you'd be right
yurbud
May 2012
#110
Would you have this same attitude if Romney were a Scientologist? Or a Moony?
Major Hogwash
May 2012
#116
I'll stop criticizing his Mormonism when he stops using his Mormonism to deny me equal rights.
justiceischeap
May 2012
#128
Oh, and btw, MineralMan, I don't need you micromanaging how I support Democrats
EFerrari
May 2012
#144
I agree to an extent, although not all discussions of religion are created equal
fishwax
May 2012
#156
Nope. And yes I want to ridicule Harry Reid, I have nieces with bigger balls than him..
truebrit71
May 2012
#162
Romney was a Church Leader he needs to be vetted for his role as leader in his church.
TNLib
May 2012
#173
Not his beliefs but his support for an organization that tries to subvert Congress
EFerrari
May 2012
#175
K & R (not for the OP's argument, but for the counter-arguments in the thread...)
Surya Gayatri
May 2012
#174
Agreed, there are a lot more valid reasons to criticize Mittens, a whole lot
Rhiannon12866
May 2012
#195
If the Democratic candidate for President was Mormon, don't you think the right
sarcasmo
May 2012
#200
Both JFK and Obama addressed their religions affiliations in fervent and moving speeches.
LiberalAndProud
May 2012
#212
We should bury him in criticism, including his religious beliefs. He is an entitled prick, and
morningfog
May 2012
#214