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jberryhill

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8. I don't understand the N.B.

Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:16 PM

Jun 2015

Europeans appear to believe it is possible to have a robust politics without having to be an idiot.

Their right wingers are pretty far right compared to here, and their left wingers are pretty far left compared to here.

Americans believe that if you censor something - no matter how facially idiotic and destructive - then a week later everyone will be locked up for expressing an opinion.

IMHO the flag of a wartime enemy of the United States is more a symbol of sedition than a mere expression of political or social ideas. I think a line can be drawn at support for a military force hostile to the U.S.

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IN Germany you go to jail for displaying Nazi flags and paraphernalia [View all] hifiguy Jun 2015 OP

The Germans have repudiated the ideology behind that flag. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #1

True enough. hifiguy Jun 2015 #2

Agreed. It also didn't go far enough in purging the culture geek tragedy Jun 2015 #3

Justice-wise, I think we should have hanged or shot... MicaelS Jun 2015 #6

Lee didn't have authority to surrender on behalf of all those bastards jberryhill Jun 2015 #9

Sure, you're talking historical fact... MicaelS Jun 2015 #11

Yep. And Reconstruction should have ended somewhere around 1910-1915. hifiguy Jun 2015 #14

Yes. n/t MicaelS Jun 2015 #16

Hirohito was mostly a figurehead. hifiguy Jun 2015 #15

I disagree. MicaelS Jun 2015 #17

Couldn't agree more LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #25

Sherman 1939 Jun 2015 #33

vast swaths of Germans still embrace what is represented by the Nazi flag. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #38

You can't really "leave the First Amendment out of it". Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #4

I am not making a legal argument, and I recognize the point you are making. hifiguy Jun 2015 #5

OK gotcha. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #7

Spend much time in rural Litchfield or Tolland Counties? Throckmorton Jun 2015 #35

Because it is a great big "Fuck You" or "Kiss my Ass" from some in the South. MicaelS Jun 2015 #10

I don't understand the N.B. jberryhill Jun 2015 #8

I think you have a good intellectual point. hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

So the flags of Mexico, Spain, Great Britan and the Confederacy should be banned as seditious? nt kelly1mm Jun 2015 #23

Not the same thing. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #24

With your clarifications it may not be the same thing. However, that was not what the poster I kelly1mm Jun 2015 #26

No jberryhill Jun 2015 #42

It's acceptable because we understand that the solution to bad speech is good speech. n/t X_Digger Jun 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Jun 2015 #18

In practical terms, moondust Jun 2015 #19

Do you imagine that if the Confederate flag had been banned... brooklynite Jun 2015 #20

Of course not hifiguy Jun 2015 #21

There are neo Nazis in Germany and throughout Europe onenote Jun 2015 #28

Personally I don't think many people from The South understand the underlying history behind it. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #22

A "symbol of the South" jberryhill Jun 2015 #27

I'm not trying to justify, just stating a hunch. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #29

I understand where he's coming from. BKH70041 Jun 2015 #30

I think to a lot of young people it is just a symbol of being a rebellious bad-ass. MadrasT Jun 2015 #31

Have you seen all the nazi crap sold on ebay? J_J_ Jun 2015 #32

The Falg is a Good Way To Spot Them Sparhawk60 Jun 2015 #34

Saying "leave freedom of speech out of it" kind of misses the point. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #36

See this post for the meta-point I was attempting to raise. hifiguy Jun 2015 #37

Can you clarify something for me, please. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #39

The shit will always be around. hifiguy Jun 2015 #40

OK, so that at least I can answer. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #41

Just because the Germans do something doesn't make it right. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #43

Given their national experience, though, hifiguy Jun 2015 #44