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Beowulf42

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191. Not So Sure

Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:23 PM

Jun 2015

I'm sorry, Bernie. I truly love you and what you are doing, but I am no so sure "we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights," because the evidence is too pervasive that there is still a vicious, evil multitude who consider people of color not human and unworthy of the basic rights every human person is supposed to have in this land of the free and the home of the brave.

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Bernie Sanders had this to say regarding the shooting. [View all] PotatoChip Jun 2015 OP

Way. K&r uppityperson Jun 2015 #1

Thank you. lovemydog Jun 2015 #2

K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #3

FOX News A Terrorist Organization billhicks76 Jun 2015 #183

K and R (nt) bigwillq Jun 2015 #4

Thank you for posting this. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #5

I think that is a pretty standard reaction. What will be enlightening though is how still_one Jun 2015 #6

Which makes it non-"standard" as you call it. erronis Jun 2015 #20

+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #28

which is what Nikki Haley just did PatrynXX Jun 2015 #65

Why don't we wait to see what they all say before deciding what they'll say? George II Jun 2015 #119

Don't be silly. Wild speculation is such a useful and fun-filled technique. Scuba Jun 2015 #143

Wild, and more often than not, wrong George II Jun 2015 #151

Probably still_one Jun 2015 #150

I understand that some right wing outlets were saying it was not a racial thing, maddiemom Jun 2015 #157

yes indeedy... they had a black pastor on to say it was probably an attack on christians Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #167

Interesting that there would be a black pastor identifying more as a "Christian" maddiemom Jun 2015 #194

Interesting that there would be a black pastor identifying more as a "Christian" maddiemom Jun 2015 #195

whineybutts Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #196

So far he is the only one who called it 'racism'. So that's makes it non-standard, sadly. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #26

"Not good enough, Bernie!" whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #74

waiting to see what Sanders says first.. Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #168

Actually she did make a statement, but did not call it racism. I noticed this on the MSM also sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #192

yes, well said Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #7

hopefully he or someone else will mention fox news and hate radio and the nra Doctor_J Jun 2015 #8

I hope they will - but like abortion our politicians seem to be totally chickenshit about using some bettyellen Jun 2015 #10

Yep, and this is why Bernie is cleaning all their clocks. And he's just gotten started. nt Nay Jun 2015 #59

I hope he speaks up about the war on women's reproductive rights again soon. bettyellen Jun 2015 #60

Bernie has been talking about women's rights and racism all his life. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #94

Isn't it a bit odd you 1) assume I'm happy with lip service 2) lecturing me like this? bettyellen Jun 2015 #118

I've said what I have to say. I do not mean to lecture but rather to point to facts without JDPriestly Jun 2015 #128

I get it. You are not shunting it aside, but I do see it happen here. bettyellen Jun 2015 #136

Bernie gets a 100% rating from NARAL on abortion issues. smokey nj Jun 2015 #142

Yes. We're in a smear-rich environment, though, which usually means a fact-free environment. merrily Jun 2015 #189

k and r niyad Jun 2015 #9

Guns are the primary physical tool of racism. onehandle Jun 2015 #11

Gun lovers and racists are the primary tools of Fox. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #12

Like that. You could add several other qualifiers erronis Jun 2015 #24

^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #25

You won't get an argument outta me on that. calimary Jun 2015 #105

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2015 #153

in the hands of cops. And much as we need more effective gun control, it wouldn't solve cali Jun 2015 #21

This event has devolved into the same tired gun parroting on other forums I'm reading.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #31

No, denial of opportunity is the primary tool of racism. nt LittleBlue Jun 2015 #106

+1 Guns are just an enforcement tool. Scuba Jun 2015 #145

I wish he had said something about the need for better gun control. pnwmom Jun 2015 #13

Way to go. Feel better? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #15

Oh, you poor thing LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #30

... GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #35

can you link to Clinton's statement where she addresses that kplzthx? frylock Jun 2015 #41

What's the turnaround time for her focus group? Divernan Jun 2015 #92

Clinton has tweeted her condolences. No mention of gun control. frylock Jun 2015 #95

An all pupose tweet!?! w/ words from a Hallmark card? Divernan Jun 2015 #103

Yup, she managed to say nothing LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #156

Sure, let's use this occasion and his statement of sympathy to bash Bernie. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #42

Bernie is wrong on gun control and this is a reason why. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #43

So you think gun control would have prevented this? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #48

Probably. If you are truly a Brit, then you understand that. DanTex Jun 2015 #152

I am most truly a Brit....but I don't understand how gun control could have prevented this.... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #159

Well, in the UK, for example, it would have been illegal to buy this, or any other handgun. DanTex Jun 2015 #161

True. However, that is comparing apples to oranges... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #162

Yeah, but places like Canada, Australia, etc. have gun cultures. DanTex Jun 2015 #163

Indeed... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #164

They had a gun culture in Australia, but changed. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #187

Yes. Provided it had been enacted, say, 100 years ago. Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #169

How would the Brady Bill have prevented this tragedy? frylock Jun 2015 #96

I wonder how many people upset at "using this occasion" defended NYC_SKP KittyWampus Jun 2015 #72

NYC_SKP was banned for gun/shooting issues/comments? cui bono Jun 2015 #149

I wish Hillary would comment on every dead Iraqi. morningfog Jun 2015 #45

Pimping those freshly dead bodies just to take a dishonest cheap shot at Sanders? arcane1 Jun 2015 #61

and Hillary voted for using Great Big Guns on masses of people all at once and in the thousands SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #81

Solve racism. Solve what drives people to murder. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #86

Perhaps he wanted to stick to something useful. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #87

And yet the Brady Campaign gives him a 100% lifetime score. progressoid Jun 2015 #125

Nothing at all about gun control? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #14

people using this tragedy to take potshots at politicians obviously care more about cali Jun 2015 #27

I understand that mass shootings are excruciatingly awkward for Bernie to respond to, Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #37

His statement wasn't awkward at all. Do you have a link to Hillarys statement yet? Autumn Jun 2015 #51

You'll have to wait a couple months. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #89

Clearly it was not awkward for him. And I'm cali Jun 2015 #57

You're going to pimp the dead too, just for a cheap shot? arcane1 Jun 2015 #67

President Obama brought up gun control in his response to the tragedy. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #69

You're pimping the dead by making this about candidates n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #73

And presumably those criticizing Hillary's response are doing the same thing? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #79

Anyone capable of even modest critical thinking can read through this thread and see what happened. bluesbassman Jun 2015 #97

I'm pretty sure I've never once complained about Hillary being "trashed". Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #102

Good luck the passive aggressive technique. bluesbassman Jun 2015 #114

I have no illusions about the number of votes I can garner for Hillary Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #115

Totally uncalled for and utterly thoughtless. madfloridian Jun 2015 #70

Does that also apply to those criticizing Hillary's response? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #85

You are all over this thread with rude uncalled for statements. Stop deflecting. madfloridian Jun 2015 #90

If you want a thread containing nothing but unequivocal praise for Bernie's statement, Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #99

People are pointing it out that she didn't address it either.. frylock Jun 2015 #100

Disgusting and classlass LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #71

Just when I think the anti-Sanders brigade can't stoop any lower n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #77

Remember Team Clinton's racist dog whistles in the 2008 primaries? LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #80

How would the Brady Bill have prevented this tragedy? frylock Jun 2015 #98

Oh look, it's you. morningfog Jun 2015 #47

Hello, friend (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #50

I am not at all surprised that you care more about political points morningfog Jun 2015 #52

. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #54

But don't call it racism! morningfog Jun 2015 #56

Huh? Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #58

I saw nothing in the quote referencing gun control. But then again, I'm literate... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #78

Sickening reply. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #171

k & r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #16

once again speaking from his heart olddots Jun 2015 #17

Then he should support stronger gun control laws. nt pnwmom Jun 2015 #23

people using this thread to make petty digs clearly care more about that cali Jun 2015 #29

Has Hillary spoke out? Autumn Jun 2015 #38

She tweeted. morningfog Jun 2015 #49

She tweeted huh? Autumn Jun 2015 #53

It was a heartfelt tweet, though.. frylock Jun 2015 #104

It's sad when a candidate has no acess to the media. Autumn Jun 2015 #107

Yep. A tweet. bunnies Jun 2015 #112

Yeah, I had thought to add their statements to the OPs I did on her and Bernie but Autumn Jun 2015 #117

Im glad that Bernie took the time to say something relevant & meaningful. bunnies Jun 2015 #123

He does support stronger gun control laws. PotatoChip Jun 2015 #46

Your ignorance of his record does not justify this disrespect for murder victims arcane1 Jun 2015 #75

He voted against the Brady law after Jim Brady was shot pnwmom Jun 2015 #82

And is rated "F" by the NRA. arcane1 Jun 2015 #91

And how would either of those prevented this tragedy? frylock Jun 2015 #108

You can sue gun manufacturers for defective products. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #122

Factually untrue. beevul Jun 2015 #137

And Hillary? Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #18

deserves its own thread. nt magical thyme Jun 2015 #32

I guess you missed her 10K attendance rally? leftofcool Jun 2015 #126

Was that this "10K attendance rally?" where she was booed and jeered Divernan Jun 2015 #154

Aren't you the trickster...nt SidDithers Jun 2015 #131

She is going to address it 7n her remarks in Reno shortly. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #139

Here you go. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #165

Again, it's a non-statement statement. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #172

I think you just like to complain about Hillary. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #174

Thank you Bernie. jwirr Jun 2015 #19

This guy was YOUNG too.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #22

Brainwashing and indoctrination of hate continues. SoapBox Jun 2015 #39

In the South they consider their hate to be part of their heritage. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #55

Southern hate. chev52 Jun 2015 #63

Try the states that voted for Wallace. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #66

You mean, like Arkansas? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #173

Tell that to the jail populations. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #176

Tell what to the jail populations? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #177

The jails are filled with black people who know the system is rigged against them. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #180

Do you have any evidence that Arkansas is worse in this regard Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #181

All the states in the South do it.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #182

And yet, in California, blacks are far more likely to be incarcerated Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #184

Again, showing there's racism elswhere doesn't take away from Southern Fried Racism. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #185

OK, whatever Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #186

Oh please. cwydro Jun 2015 #68

Then you've heard Confederate flag boosters use the terms "heritage" and "pride". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #76

No, actually I have not. cwydro Jun 2015 #88

On that point, white supremacists all over the country know the words for "Dixie". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #109

Lol. That makes me laugh! cwydro Jun 2015 #113

Most think the last words are "play ball!" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #121

Exactly! cwydro Jun 2015 #132

That's because you don't have to wish you were there. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #133

Lol! cwydro Jun 2015 #138

On the bright side,... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #141

I think they are dead of heat stroke. cwydro Jun 2015 #144

We have these teeny tiny bugs that crawl right through the screens here but they don't fly or bite. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #147

It is unfair to paint Southerners with such a broad brush NikolaC Jun 2015 #110

I never said ALL Southerners are racist..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #120

It's too bad that many feel like gun control could have prevented this. erronis Jun 2015 #33

Beautiful statement by Sen. Sanders MissDeeds Jun 2015 #34

This isn't about Sanders, what he has to say, snpsmom Jun 2015 #36

He's right. DawgHouse Jun 2015 #40

honorable response heaven05 Jun 2015 #44

The fact that he is unafraid to say the word racism BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #127

The fact he does not vote for sensible gun control bills also speaks volumes. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #160

In order to eradicate racism, we'd have to split the US between liberals Zorra Jun 2015 #62

Perfect!! lark Jun 2015 #64

K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #83

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #84

Similar to President Obama's statement HockeyMom Jun 2015 #93

"Family cooperating with police" Who? HockeyMom Jun 2015 #116

I am Zappaman and I approve this message. zappaman Jun 2015 #101

K&R! Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #111

Sanders is a good egg. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #124

Beautifully stated! It's obscene that this kind of crap still happens. Amimnoch Jun 2015 #129

great response JI7 Jun 2015 #130

I can't stand waiting, yeah still waiting for heaven05 Jun 2015 #134

K & R Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #135

JUST ONE MORE REASON WHY I LOVE HIM!! Plus ChiciB1 Jun 2015 #140

So true and so tragic..it is up to all of us to demand much more from our leaders and Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #146

Right on the money. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #148

. mopinko Jun 2015 #155

Sad... Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #158

Wait, what? I heard racism was over in America. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2015 #166

Well done, Bernie. backscatter712 Jun 2015 #170

I agree Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #179

yes sir. spanone Jun 2015 #175

His letter is much better in that it requests donations. merrily Jun 2015 #178

Donations to the church to be crystal. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #188

I'm with you, Bernie. Take your power and speak for me and most of us. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #190

Not So Sure Beowulf42 Jun 2015 #191

Thank you, Bernie......you left guns out of it. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #193