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jberryhill

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42. No

Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:14 PM

Jun 2015

Those flags do not - in and of themselves - symbolize support for an unlawful insurrection against the United States. The United States did not reach some sort of treaty establishing the cessation of hostilities - the point was the cessation of the CSA as an entity per se.

We made peace with those other countries. We did not make peace with Nazi Germany - it was ended and split up. Likewise, the outcome of the Civil War was termination of the CSA as a concept. Secession from the United States is not permitted under Article IV of the Constitution. The Guarantee Clause is interpreted to mean that a state must stay in the United States in order for the federal government to exercise the powers reserved to it under Article IV.

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IN Germany you go to jail for displaying Nazi flags and paraphernalia [View all] hifiguy Jun 2015 OP

The Germans have repudiated the ideology behind that flag. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #1

True enough. hifiguy Jun 2015 #2

Agreed. It also didn't go far enough in purging the culture geek tragedy Jun 2015 #3

Justice-wise, I think we should have hanged or shot... MicaelS Jun 2015 #6

Lee didn't have authority to surrender on behalf of all those bastards jberryhill Jun 2015 #9

Sure, you're talking historical fact... MicaelS Jun 2015 #11

Yep. And Reconstruction should have ended somewhere around 1910-1915. hifiguy Jun 2015 #14

Yes. n/t MicaelS Jun 2015 #16

Hirohito was mostly a figurehead. hifiguy Jun 2015 #15

I disagree. MicaelS Jun 2015 #17

Couldn't agree more LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #25

Sherman 1939 Jun 2015 #33

vast swaths of Germans still embrace what is represented by the Nazi flag. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #38

You can't really "leave the First Amendment out of it". Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #4

I am not making a legal argument, and I recognize the point you are making. hifiguy Jun 2015 #5

OK gotcha. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #7

Spend much time in rural Litchfield or Tolland Counties? Throckmorton Jun 2015 #35

Because it is a great big "Fuck You" or "Kiss my Ass" from some in the South. MicaelS Jun 2015 #10

I don't understand the N.B. jberryhill Jun 2015 #8

I think you have a good intellectual point. hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

So the flags of Mexico, Spain, Great Britan and the Confederacy should be banned as seditious? nt kelly1mm Jun 2015 #23

Not the same thing. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #24

With your clarifications it may not be the same thing. However, that was not what the poster I kelly1mm Jun 2015 #26

No jberryhill Jun 2015 #42

It's acceptable because we understand that the solution to bad speech is good speech. n/t X_Digger Jun 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Jun 2015 #18

In practical terms, moondust Jun 2015 #19

Do you imagine that if the Confederate flag had been banned... brooklynite Jun 2015 #20

Of course not hifiguy Jun 2015 #21

There are neo Nazis in Germany and throughout Europe onenote Jun 2015 #28

Personally I don't think many people from The South understand the underlying history behind it. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #22

A "symbol of the South" jberryhill Jun 2015 #27

I'm not trying to justify, just stating a hunch. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #29

I understand where he's coming from. BKH70041 Jun 2015 #30

I think to a lot of young people it is just a symbol of being a rebellious bad-ass. MadrasT Jun 2015 #31

Have you seen all the nazi crap sold on ebay? J_J_ Jun 2015 #32

The Falg is a Good Way To Spot Them Sparhawk60 Jun 2015 #34

Saying "leave freedom of speech out of it" kind of misses the point. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #36

See this post for the meta-point I was attempting to raise. hifiguy Jun 2015 #37

Can you clarify something for me, please. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #39

The shit will always be around. hifiguy Jun 2015 #40

OK, so that at least I can answer. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #41

Just because the Germans do something doesn't make it right. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #43

Given their national experience, though, hifiguy Jun 2015 #44