What does abortion have to do with climate change? You’ll have to ask Pope Francis.

[The2ndWheel]

14. Well aware that it's one of the drivers, yes

In the 200,000 years or so that modern people have been around, it's the last 10,000 years or so of the resource concentration mechanism we call civilization that has been a real issue. Roads? One of the worst things we've ever done environmentally. Since we're not going to fix that...

We have 4 options:

1) More people doing more
2) More people doing less
3) Fewer people doing more
4) Fewer people doing less

#1 is basically what we're doing in the big picture. We know how to do that. That's how society functions. People with jobs going out and creating demand for more people to have jobs, and all the taxes that all those people pay.

#2 is basically what the developing world does. It adds people, but there's not enough infrastructure for them to really do that much.

#3 is the developed world. We have fewer people, so we have to import people just to keep pace. We use up more than our fair share of resources though, and the developing world wants in on some of that action. If the planet is finite, that's going to cause some issues.

#4 is...well, it's basically not a society. Where's the business? Where's the tax money? It might be the best thing for the rest of life on the planet if we did #4, but we're not going to do #4.