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jeff47

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10. Not according to your claims.

Reply to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:15 PM

Jun 2015

You are arguing that we in the US must accept a lower standard of living in order to help slaves in Malaysian sweatshops.

That means we suffer. Either directly via losing our job, or indirectly by lowering our salaries due to more competition for jobs.

Wealth is not zero-sum. You can generate wealth without making anyone worse off. Step 1 would be not rewarding Malaysian slave owners with a giant pile of capital via the TPP.

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TPP, because you can too! [View all] PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 OP

Fuck azmom Jun 2015 #1

Are you making fun of Asian workers? Hoyt Jun 2015 #2

No PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #3

Do you know what country they are from? Asians in the better off countries get paid reasonably well Hoyt Jun 2015 #5

Trade does not have to be a zero-sum game. jeff47 Jun 2015 #7

"All Americans" are not going to suffer. In fact, very few even run a small risk of "suffering." Hoyt Jun 2015 #8

Not according to your claims. jeff47 Jun 2015 #10

I'm arguing that greedy Americans will let workers abroad starve if they think it will cost them a Hoyt Jun 2015 #12

So we should measure our own standard of living based on how shitty other people have it? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #14

Really? How did you arrive at that? lonestarnot Jun 2015 #4

Hoyt's standard talking point is we're all xenophobic racists jeff47 Jun 2015 #6

Sort of, and don't leave out Greedy too. The photos are not of Malaysian factory slaves. Hoyt Jun 2015 #9

And if the TPP only covered the workers in the photo, you might have a point! jeff47 Jun 2015 #11

No it does not because it increases standards. Most Malaysian workers are not forced labor. Hoyt Jun 2015 #13

That would be relevant if we have ever attempted to enforce the standards in any previous agreement. jeff47 Jun 2015 #15

Why not. The way to stop forced labor is to make it better for the 2/3rds of workers who are not in Hoyt Jun 2015 #16

a little jeff v hoyt here PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #17