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Tarheel_Dem

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124. "perception is politics". True, but......

Wed May 16, 2012, 02:52 AM

May 2012

Could it possibly be the candidate himself? I mean, he already lost once, right? Whose fault was it then? President Obama? The DNC? The Democrats who sat on their "disillusioned" hands in the midterms? The unions who got suckered & backed Walker over Barrett, and now regret it? Who?

This smells wrong. I agree with dionysus, this is the preemptive blame game. If by chance, Barrett pulls this out (and I hope like hell he does), the organizers get to take the credit. If, on the other hand, he loses, Pres. Obama & the DNC get the blame. Do I have that right?

We're Democrats. I don't know that we have two super wealthy brothers who can just write a check, and buy the state of WI. And while I agree that a loss will certainly have a psychological effect, come November, WI Democrats will just have to make up their minds if they want a repeat of 2010.

I get so sick of coming here and having Democrats beat up, by people who may or not be members of the Democratic Party.

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Walker up by 9-points in new WI Recall poll, WI Dems upset with DNC [View all] WI_DEM May 2012 OP

How do we turn this around? People, a ROCK would be a better governor lastlib May 2012 #1

In the end it will come down to who gets more of their supporters to the polls WI_DEM May 2012 #3

I am not sure I like the idea of recalls hfojvt May 2012 #63

Let me tell you what happened in California. JDPriestly May 2012 #72

I'm not in Wisconsin any more hfojvt May 2012 #87

(Blink, blink) TheWraith May 2012 #137

We could let the DNC know that we expect SOME of our money to go there. . . n/t annabanana May 2012 #4

We should be calling and e-mailing the dnc and letting movonne May 2012 #34

We're doing it!...As of yesterday morning Signon.org had 100,000 signatures urging the DNC whathehell May 2012 #138

Some of this will turn around as Barrett's media effort gains traction, HereSince1628 May 2012 #35

And time is getting short! Cal33 May 2012 #65

Yeah. AverageJoe90 May 2012 #117

K&R PatSeg May 2012 #2

k&r flamingdem May 2012 #5

I predict Walker survives the recall. Bake May 2012 #6

Think there's a chance Romney might pick him for a running mate if he does survive? TheMightyFavog May 2012 #15

the labor protests may not have been popular either hfojvt May 2012 #69

I predict it will be very close and that the D wins. RBInMaine May 2012 #97

Because.... BlueDemKev May 2012 #105

They should be furious and I can't help but wonder why the DNC isn't stepping in.. whathehell May 2012 #7

only 7 posts in before obama gets blamed if barrett loses.. not bad... dionysus May 2012 #9

Pathetic... whathehell May 2012 #29

I just remember the "comfortable shoes" ruse Plucketeer May 2012 #61

True. whathehell May 2012 #78

I don't know if I'd blame Obama but I'd certainly blame the DNC. Chan790 May 2012 #38

What would "overly pro-labor" look like? Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #11

Like maybe in Penn. where Dems have majority they don't vote to strip collective bargaining Bandit May 2012 #21

Thank you. whathehell May 2012 #30

I'll tell you what it would look like whathehell May 2012 #27

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but not everyone agrees with your assessment. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #44

No, and not everyone -- especially people who actually support unions -- agrees with you either whathehell May 2012 #48

Oh, so President Obama was elected to hype unions and build their membership? Really? Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #50

You don't understand that organized labor is a TRADITIONAL ALLY of the Democratic Party? whathehell May 2012 #54

Oh, and I certainly understand the ties between the Democratic Party and Unions. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #59

I'm taking it whathehell May 2012 #79

Is there a picket line? You see there's the faction of WI organizers who told the president.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #82

Um, there was more than a "picket line" whathehell May 2012 #85

Did I admit that I "didn't know anything about unions"? I said, I've never been a member. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #88

Did I say that I was a union member? whathehell May 2012 #90

One reason that Democrats aren't strong is the South is the lack of union members JDPriestly May 2012 #74

Thank you.....n/t whathehell May 2012 #92

...and a lack of an educated souls BlueDemKev May 2012 #104

Democrats support unions. JDPriestly May 2012 #73

Oh please stop regurgitating wsws talking points. Ugh. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #76

They blame the DNC? Who here sends money to the DNC? Have you seen the many posts..... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #8

well it only took 7 posts for someone to preemptively blame Obama if the dem loses... dionysus May 2012 #10

That's exactly it. It's preemption. Some DU'er are setting the president up to take the fall.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #13

Good point, blaming Obama is weak and invalid, blame Koch money I suppose flamingdem May 2012 #14

first, people say he should stay out of it. now, if the dems lose it'll be his fault for not being dionysus May 2012 #25

Were you in on the planning meetings? Sounds the critics are prepared for any contingency. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #62

The president will take the fall, like it or not. JDPriestly May 2012 #28

President Obama and the DNC didn't recall Scott Walker. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #45

just wondering...were WI Dems wrong (in your opinion) for recalling Scott Walker? nashville_brook May 2012 #49

Not at all. They should have, and they did. What I'm objecting to is the preemptive blame game, Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #53

so, b/c the DNC doesn't have the $ the Koch's have, they shouldn't help? nashville_brook May 2012 #93

Please point out to me where I said, "they shouldn't help". Please? Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #94

And they haven't stood tall by the working people of Wisconsin, most of whom are JDPriestly May 2012 #71

Says about as much as your ridiculous hyperbole. "Defending Wall St" is a term used by certain.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #75

perception is politics 0rganism May 2012 #123

"perception is politics". True, but...... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #124

The point is not to blame Obama but to recognize what effect on Obama's JDPriestly May 2012 #32

Spare me the armchair punditry. Obama's not to blame for the disastrous midterms. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #80

Why don't you just declare whathehell May 2012 #83

Because he isn't? Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #86

I wouldn't know it from your posts, LOL. whathehell May 2012 #91

And from your posts, I can certainly see where you're coming from. LOL. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #95

Good... whathehell May 2012 #115

I certainly did. However, it probably wasn't the lesson you thought you were teaching. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #118

Probably not... whathehell May 2012 #119

U Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #120

Oh yeah, your rapier wit is killing me! whathehell May 2012 #121

OKay..... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #122

Actually, I show up all the time. JDPriestly May 2012 #89

Well, no one, I'm sure! whathehell May 2012 #31

They are pleading poverty. I was called recently and was unable to help because I had just.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #47

I see that you have an even bigger problem than I thought whathehell May 2012 #56

I send my money right to the source rucky May 2012 #134

What's happening with the criminal investigations of this creep? Why is that not being Lint Head May 2012 #12

it seems that the people of wisconsin love a narcissistic, power hungry newspeak May 2012 #16

One guess .... Arugula Latte May 2012 #107

They just gave another person immunity in the case - that's a good sign. Poiuyt May 2012 #109

Need to make a video that will go viral on YouTube. Lint Head May 2012 #110

Poll is a 1 day robo call taken on mothers day by Il Manu assoc who has given millions to GOP jn2375 May 2012 #17

Thanks for pointing that out mvd May 2012 #130

People hate that man yet are still willing to vote for him - WTF? Initech May 2012 #18

I don't believe it. guardian May 2012 #19

That's my guess, too ... Myrina May 2012 #22

I'd have to agree.... truebrit71 May 2012 #70

It seems suspect to me too... whathehell May 2012 #81

I think the reason the WH and DNC aren't in is because it's a lost cause. Doctor_J May 2012 #20

Bullshit... whathehell May 2012 #36

Thanks for verifying my hypotheses Doctor_J May 2012 #40

Bullshit, again... whathehell May 2012 #52

okay, I agree with we need to take back the media newspeak May 2012 #39

that's why reclaiming it is going to be extremely messy Doctor_J May 2012 #41

"skin in the game." JDPriestly May 2012 #77

Exactly. Protestors have plenty of skin in the game Doctor_J May 2012 #114

+100 whathehell May 2012 #127

No surprise here. Release The Hounds May 2012 #23

That's too bad BlueDemKev May 2012 #24

If Walker loses and the DNC has not supported the Wisconsin Democrats with all they JDPriestly May 2012 #26

I agree, the Walker Recall is a bellweather for the Nov. Election DontTreadOnMe May 2012 #33

You blaming Obama? Imagine that! Ikonoklast May 2012 #42

Exactly! whathehell May 2012 #58

I hope this is just rigged polling data. bluedigger May 2012 #37

Tom Barrett BlueDemKev May 2012 #46

So your case is that Barrett lost last time because he had less votes? bluedigger May 2012 #55

He lost because too many progressives STAYED HOME BlueDemKev May 2012 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueDemKev May 2012 #102

Their site gives no indication of who was polled, where or how. Scuba May 2012 #43

Not Sure What Is Happening In Wisconsin DallasNE May 2012 #51

The Labor Unions nation wide need to step up and take hold in a big way. loudsue May 2012 #57

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, would it help Obama if he would call the DNC and AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #60

Bullshit malaise May 2012 #64

The polls were never showing him losing Thrill May 2012 #66

I'm not at all surprised. The democrats co-opted the movement, channeled their energy into a recall Citizen Worker May 2012 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Cal33 May 2012 #68

Contributions to Barrett. ACTBlue is a strong democratic fundraising organization bluestate10 May 2012 #99

I no longer use a credit card. What's the Post Office address to send a check to? Thanks. Cal33 May 2012 #112

Election Fatigue milwaukeelib33 May 2012 #84

Definitely--GOTV is the KEY BlueDemKev May 2012 #106

Tell the DNC what you think! markpkessinger May 2012 #96

Absolute bullshit robo-poll. Others have the momentum going toward the Dem. BULLSHIT POLL ! RBInMaine May 2012 #98

Impossible to believe that Walker is ahead after the devide and conquer bluestate10 May 2012 #100

Scott Walker's Fundraising Letter (Get Your Barf Bag) BlueDemKev May 2012 #103

Well, we should get Rahm in there to fix this. progressoid May 2012 #108

Isn't 'We ask America' a conservative robopollster? BklnDem75 May 2012 #111

seems like they should be mad at voters GusFring May 2012 #113

ATTENTION: Everyone upset with the DNC for LACK of Support for Walker Recall, Please CONTACT below. whathehell May 2012 #116

link not working nt blaze May 2012 #125

This should do it..If not, google "Democratic National Committee" and go to "Contact" page. whathehell May 2012 #126

Thanks! blaze May 2012 #128

You're welcome!...Hopefully, whathehell May 2012 #132

What is the DNC thinking? The general election has a ways to go, and.. mvd May 2012 #129

I agree absolutely and whathehell May 2012 #131

Sadly, the DNC does rub me the wrong way with this mvd May 2012 #133

Thanks...It's really for all of us....We all need whathehell May 2012 #139

BS! Zax2me May 2012 #135

I Guess the DNC is anti-Union fascisthunter May 2012 #136